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The Trump "No Answer" on Russian Associations during 01/11/2017 Press Conference

Carleen said:
Oh I left out he wouldn't let the guy from CNN ask a question called it fake news. You believe everything that comes out of Donny boy's mouth, I don't.
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But that wasn't the point of the debate - the debate wasn't if we should believe him or not, the debate was about was anything significant said during his time today. I pointed out there was. Personally, I don't believe anything anyone says all the time, but if their record is good, and so far his is, then I'm on the side of trusting what he says. Remember, I started out trusting Barack Obama, and then his record spoke for that and I now trust not a word which comes out of his mouth.
 
Cardinal said:
Anybody who believed the press conference would yield anything productive was living in a dream world.
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LOL!! You guys are making yourselves look like idiots and clowns. A detailed press conference that went into detail explaining how Trump will extricate himself from Trump enterprises and maintain a separation to avoid conflict -- including the announcement that all proceeds from foreign dignitaries staying at Trump hotels and resorts will be transferred directly to the US general fund at the US treasury -- along with answering questions about the wall, repealing Obamacare, and all the questions about the CNN/Buzzfeed report and your folks pretend it wasn't productive.

If you are going to lie you should avoid lying to people who know the truth, Cardinal.
 
Why should Trump answer questions from CNN about completely unverified smear news published in a liberal blog that CNN ran with?

Trump owns the media, which has been reduced to nothing more than a room full of pissing whores.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Wait... I thought it was the counties that elected Trump?:2razz:
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EvaPeron said:
People in the counties - ie, county folks :2wave:
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Yes, it was the people in the counties. Too bad they didn't reflect the majority opinion in this country, so most of the country wouldn't hate the guy that became their president.
 
tres borrachos said:
Well, that was a random meltdown post. I'm sorry I found Trump's presser to be a joke. Not everyone loves him blindly, Maggie. I don't hate the man, by the way. I don't even know him.

I voted for George W. Bush twice and cringed at most of his pressers. I voted against Obama twice and found most of his pressers to be good. So you can keep your hysteria and hyperbole to yourself. It isn't attractive.
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Hysteria and hyperbole? Your own post defines it well. "I don't even know him." Really? I'm so surprised.
 
If Russia is purposefully trying to decrease the perception of electoral integrity in the United States, I can't think of a better strategy than what's currently going on. Even if Russia had very little direct influence on the outcome of the election, they benefit from preserving and strengthening the perception that they did. It seems that as far as Russian interests go, it doesn't matter if these reports are true or not so long as the reports make waves. What a situation we find ourselves in.

I would trust our investigative bodies would understand the political complexities of the situation and have to believe they desire to keep any investigation (even the prospect of one) largely under wraps unless something irrefutably criminal is discovered. The fact that so much has gone public so quickly makes me think a more complex game being played.
 
jmotivator said:
LOL!! You guys are making yourselves look like idiots and clowns. A detailed press conference that went into detail explaining how Trump will extricate himself from Trump enterprises and maintain a separation to avoid conflict -- including the announcement that all proceeds from foreign dignitaries staying at Trump hotels and resorts will be transferred directly to the US general fund at the US treasury -- along with answering questions about the wall, repealing Obamacare, and all the questions about the CNN/Buzzfeed report and your folks pretend it wasn't productive.

If you are going to lie you should avoid lying to people who know the truth, Cardinal.
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Meh.

Yeah - he presented some stuff that sounded good on the surface during his PR speech, including bringing in PR props (the files).

But he still was full of emotive PR & hyperbole, and blew-off a lot of stuff while dismissing other, and still other stuff falls short under more careful examination.

I wasn't very impressed, ans he still comes-off as the huckster I believe he is.
 
Objective Voice said:
I have to say I am stunned! :shock:

When asked and then further pressed at the end of his national press conference, President-elect Donald J. Trump refused to answer the direct question as to whether or not he or anyone directly connected to him or if anyone from his campaign had any association with Russian intelligence. Trump went on a long rant (once again) about how Russia, China, Japan, Mexico and all other nations would respect America once he became President, but on the question of Russian intelligence associations itself, he outright refused to answer the question even when further pressed after his press conference but before leaving the conference area.

No "no comment", no "I don't know, but I'll look into it"...nothing. He just walked off the stage and refused to answer.

To me, that rebuff/non-answer is more disturbing than the contents of any domestic intelligence report whether compiled by our federal intelligence agencies or some private investigative/consulting firm.
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President pleading the Fifth :lol:


And, the knuckle-draggers were worried about Hillary's ethics. :shock:
 
MaggieD said:
Omg. Who ARE you guys?

Such dishonesty. I can't even imagine why you're on this board pretending to Debate Politics. Why bother? Just hate everything Trump and come back in eight years.
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Do you need a safe space from opposing viewpoints?
 
Chomsky said:
Meh.

Yeah - he presented some stuff that sounded good on the surface during his PR speech, including bringing in PR props (the files).

But he still was full of emotive PR & hyperbole, and blew-off a lot of stuff while dismissing other, and still other stuff falls short under more careful examination.

I wasn't very impressed, ans he still comes-off as the huckster I believe he is.
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There is a heaping dose of irony in your response.

Your attack on Trump's lack on information is actually lacking specific information while Trump's press conference was actually rather detailed.

I suppose if he had ushered in some randos in lab coats when the Obamacare question was asked it would be OK since that is what Obama did every. fricking. time.
 
Objective Voice said:
I have to say I am stunned! :shock:

When asked and then further pressed at the end of his national press conference, President-elect Donald J. Trump refused to answer the direct question as to whether or not he or anyone directly connected to him or if anyone from his campaign had any association with Russian intelligence. Trump went on a long rant (once again) about how Russia, China, Japan, Mexico and all other nations would respect America once he became President, but on the question of Russian intelligence associations itself, he outright refused to answer the question even when further pressed after his press conference but before leaving the conference area.

No "no comment", no "I don't know, but I'll look into it"...nothing. He just walked off the stage and refused to answer.

To me, that rebuff/non-answer is more disturbing than the contents of any domestic intelligence report whether compiled by our federal intelligence agencies or some private investigative/consulting firm.
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You must not have caught his press conference this morning in which he clearly and calmly stated that he had no business dealings of ANY kind in Russia, no loans, no debts, no association whatsoever. He believes Russia has hacked us as we have them. He doesn't know what Putin thinks about him or if better relationships can be accomplished with Russia. He does see it is a profitable opportunity for the USA for him to try.
 
MaggieD said:
Nope. Just sick of dishonest ones.
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Yeah, it is getting pretty thick. I'm not interested in silencing the dissenters like the left is. I read Sun Tzu, I know not to interrupt an opponent who is in the process of making a mistake. ;)
 
RickJames3000 said:
This is becoming SOP for Trump and his rightwing lackeys. Evade questions or offer nothing of substance, and then complain how the "biased MSM" got it wrong again. It's not a genius approach unless you only have to placate the fools who support you.
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If Trump is not a political genius, it makes one wonder how bad the 20 or so political geniuses he defeated on the way to becoming the President elect are.

He answered what was last weeks pertinent question concerning his finances vs the Presidency. Now with nothing more to add from the left, it's on to the next biggee, What about the Russians? After that, who knows?
 
jimbo said:
If Trump is not a political genius, it makes one wonder how bad the 20 or so political geniuses he defeated on the way to becoming the President elect are.

He answered what was last weeks pertinent question concerning his finances vs the Presidency. Now with nothing more to add from the left, it's on to the next biggee, What about the Russians? After that, who knows?
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With a legion of racist supporters; a rightwing media that has filled the rest of his followers with lies for twenty years; assists from foreign agents like Russia and Assange; and a last minute life raft from a heavily-partisan rogue branch of the FBI... Trump was able to come within three million votes of Clinton's total. That's not at all evidence of any genius on his part.
 
tres borrachos said:
The inauguration is going to be beautiful. A beautiful event. It's going to be ab-so-lute-ly beautiful. He said so. Repeatedly.

I agree with you assessment. This much anticipated presser was pretty much a flop and a joke. I'd say get used to it. This is what Trump will do for the next 4 years.
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And that's not a bad thing. Trump basically ignores the press unless it suits his purpose and communicates directly with the people via Twitter. So instead of the press getting pre prepared statements to filter and regurgitate as their propaganda, they are forced to cover actual news. Which they have no idea how to do. That's got to hurt.
 
Objective Voice said:
I have to say I am stunned! :shock:

When asked and then further pressed at the end of his national press conference, President-elect Donald J. Trump refused to answer the direct question as to whether or not he or anyone directly connected to him or if anyone from his campaign had any association with Russian intelligence. Trump went on a long rant (once again) about how Russia, China, Japan, Mexico and all other nations would respect America once he became President, but on the question of Russian intelligence associations itself, he outright refused to answer the question even when further pressed after his press conference but before leaving the conference area.

No "no comment", no "I don't know, but I'll look into it"...nothing. He just walked off the stage and refused to answer.

To me, that rebuff/non-answer is more disturbing than the contents of any domestic intelligence report whether compiled by our federal intelligence agencies or some private investigative/consulting firm.
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I kinda sympathize with Trump, how the hell would he know if ANYONE on his campaign had ANY association with Russia? However, he really should have responded with a "Not that i'm aware of," or something.

It's very telling that he had a press conference. It's also telling that he explicitly acknowledged Russia's role in the hacking (good for you Trump). To me, he looks scared, like a deer in headlights. I've never seen him this scared; makes me think these allegations might have merit.

Btw some links :

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcn...ference-president-elect-n705676?client=safari

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.n...trump-press-conference.amp.html?client=safari
 
Cardinal said:
Anybody who believed the press conference would yield anything productive was living in a dream world.
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Nope. The productive bit will come, when the YouTube vids come in from Moscow with love.

He will get soo many clicks!
 
RickJames3000 said:
With a legion of racist supporters; a rightwing media that has filled the rest of his followers with lies for twenty years; assists from foreign agents like Russia and Assange; and a last minute life raft from a heavily-partisan rogue branch of the FBI... Trump was able to come within three million votes of Clinton's total. That's not at all evidence of any genius on his part.
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Ah, the old Trump didn't really win meme. The actual count was 306/232 hardly 3 million total. About a 65% difference. A landslide win. Republicans picked up over a thousand other wins. Another landslide.

You are just proving the point. The Democrats apparently came to the game without a rule book in their pocket. The people gave them back to back 15 yard penalties.
 
jmotivator said:
There is a heaping dose of irony in your response.

Your attack on Trump's lack on information is actually lacking specific information while Trump's press conference was actually rather detailed.

I suppose if he had ushered in some randos in lab coats when the Obamacare question was asked it would be OK since that is what Obama did every. fricking. time.
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Look - I'll give the guy a 50% here, and that's the best I can muster.

He refused to go on the record as to his campaign not approaching Putin, didn't use a blind trust, conflated CNN's coverage of the two-page intel addendum with Buzzfeed's document - and the beat on CNN - not allowing a CNN rebuttal to his claims. He played the "I'm under audit" B.S. to still hide his tax-returns, belittled BBC, and insisted the people want his SC judge because he won the election.

That's off the top of my head.

Now he did give some details as you claim, but even his details are always filled with emotive and hyperbolic hucksterisms ("beautiful", "fantastic"). He speaks to us as if we're impressionable naive children, that are dismissively beyond his lofty comprehension.
 
TheGoverness said:
That's not dishonest at all.

Some people just don't blindly agree with everything that Trump does.
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Sorry, but calling that press conference a flop is either disingenuous or blindly partisan. So which do you suppose?

One of the top law firms in the country, if not the world, spends darned near thirty minutes patiently walking through everything Trump has done to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. A flop. He provides dossiers to the press corps outlining what he's done. A flop. He conducts himself most professionally answering every question thrown at him. A flop. He explains how Mexico is going to pay for the wall. A flop. He talks about bringing six of the world's premier IT people together to focus on why, for the love of God, the United States should be getting hacked and make recommendations to harden our computers. A flop. He tells the press he's bringing Mayo Clinic and other premier hospitals together to help address VA care. A flop.

People are well entitled to a "flop" opinion. I, on the other hand, am well entitled to disrespect it.

Without needing a safe space or unicorn.
 
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