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Judge Napolitano's Awesome Rant

If you guys like Judge Napolitano, you'll really like John Stossel.

"Everything in America is Illegal"
 
bubbabgone said:
3 observations.
1) the only possible shot at Trump was the comment about "torture" but it was pre-Trump so it must've been something else.
2) the rest of the rant was a recognition of the path we've been on with assistance from the current administration.
3) looks like the Judge had a book to hump.
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Greetings, bubba. :2wave:

When I listened to his "what ifs," I couldn't help but think that I sure wouldn't like living under those conditions! :no: I hope they never ever happen here! :eek:

I'll buy his book!!
 
polgara said:
Greetings, bubba. :2wave:

When I listened to his "what ifs," I couldn't help but think that I sure wouldn't like living under those conditions! :no: I hope they never ever happen here! :eek:

I'll buy his book!!
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The judge's point was that all of those hypotheticals, all those "what if" scenarios, are already true. They are already the case.

For example, the USA Patriot Act passed before Obama's time, effectively nullifies the Fourth Amendment.

For example, by way of the last 3 or 4 NDAA amendments (we just had another one last week which laid the foundation for a Ministry of Truth), Habeas Corpus has been nullified.

Everything Napolitano said "what if" about, is already the status quo in the US. Wake up and smell the napalm--the US Constitution went up in flames years ago.
 
Geoist said:
...And conservatives. Napolitano is a right-libertarian and often critical of conservatives who want to subvert freedoms.
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He's against establishment Republicans, but don't kid yourself. He's against liberals far more.
 
Geoist said:
While I don't always agree with him, Judge Napolitano is one of the few conservative talking heads worth listening to. Here he goes off on the freedoms lost in the United States and how the very worst could be on its way (knock at Trump?):
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And oldie but goody.
 
Geoist said:
Want to make a correction: I assumed this was a recent rant but it is actually from 2012. It is still quite relevant now more than ever. The video poster claims the rant got him fired.
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Been true for a while.
 
Nap said:
I think it is more of a knock on every president (both sides) and largely a knock on the pitiful shape our government has become. Most of what he is talking about is what is already in place so less a "what if" and more of this is what we have become and are heading to.
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That's the implication, that they aren't so much as "what ifs" but actual things happening. He just framed it in a more rhetorical and poignant manner.
 
Moot said:
Frankly, I think the founders would be pleasantly surprised to see the union last as long as it has and with the Constitution still largely in tact.
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Wat? :confused:
 
TobyOne said:
This guy has been wrong about everything. I stopped listening to him at all. Plus, I don't like his hair.
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He has? Interesting. I'm guessing you never "listened" to him and your hatred is not rationally based, hence the comment on his hair.
 
haymarket said:
The stuff right after the opening sentence.
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Can you be more specific about what it is you disagree with or did you simply see his name decide you weren't even going to listen before posting that it is nonsense?
 
Nap said:
Can you be more specific about what it is you disagree with or did you simply see his name decide you weren't even going to listen before posting that it is nonsense?
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I did listen.

"what if (the President) could kill you without warning."

This guy is nuts.
 
haymarket said:
I did listen.

"what if (the President) could kill you without warning."

This guy is nuts.
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Well I do agree that it is pretty irrational to think a President would, but he technically does have that power.
 
Nap said:
Well I do agree that it is pretty irrational to think a President would, but he technically does have that power.
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It wouldn't let me edit my post.

When I said it was irrational to think a President would, I was referring to the average citizen. Someone with terrorist ties however it is a legitimate fear. Obama killed 4 Americans with a drone strike without due process.

EDIT: The more I think about it, the less irrational that fear sounds. Without due process, it shouldn't be legal for a President to target and kill an American citizen. Makes you wonder if Trump is as crazy as the left has portrayed him to be.......
 
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haymarket said:
I did listen.

"what if (the President) could kill you without warning."

This guy is nuts.
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You are offended by the truth, a possible sign of cognitive dissonance.

In fact, the current POTUS has been killing people, including US citizens, without any due process whatsoever, for years.
 
Thoreau72 said:
You are offended by the truth, a possible sign of cognitive dissonance.
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NO - I am offended by radical extremism disguised as conservatism wearing the costume of a constitutionalist defrauding decent people.
 
haymarket said:
NO - I am offended by radical extremism disguised as conservatism wearing the costume of a constitutionalist defrauding decent people.
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Maybe this is an example of the observation by Herbert Agar: the truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear?

Virtually all of Napolitano's scenarios are true, today's status quo. Many people prefer not to hear, or read, that their government is utterly out of legal bounds.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Maybe this is an example of the observation by Herbert Agar: the truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear?

Virtually all of Napolitano's scenarios are true, today's status quo. Many people prefer not to hear, or read, that their government is utterly out of legal bounds.
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I would be happy to read the supporting evidence for each of his WHAT IF'S to see how true each of his scenarios are true or not. I suspect its all a matter of perspective and ideological mindset.
 
haymarket said:
I would be happy to read the supporting evidence for each of his WHAT IF'S to see how true each of his scenarios are true or not. I suspect its all a matter of perspective and ideological mindset.
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Obviously it's old news now, the piece shown is from 2012 I think.

Regarding supporting evidence, do you understand the purpose and requirements of the old Habeas Corpus legal principle? Do you acknowledge that it is found in Section 9 of Article I of the Constitution?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Obviously it's old news now, the piece shown is from 2012 I think.

Regarding supporting evidence, do you understand the purpose and requirements of the old Habeas Corpus legal principle? Do you acknowledge that it is found in Section 9 of Article I of the Constitution?
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Are you presenting that and in support of which claim in the video? State your case and I will read and consider it.
 
haymarket said:
Are you presenting that and in support of which claim in the video? State your case and I will read and consider it.
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Regarding Habeas, just guessing on the time frame here, when Napolitano "what if" said the government can hold you indefinitely based only on allegations, he was correct. About 4 years ago, the catch-all National Defense Authorization Act, an annual event, had the government granting itself the power of indefinite detention, as long as the Executive claims that the person being held is a "terrorist". That my friend, is an effective repeal of Habeas Corpus. A previous piece of legislation from the Bush era, the Military Commissions Act, effectively did the same thing. Napolitano's rhetorical "what if" had come to pass.

Regarding POTUS killing you without due process, that is precisely what Obama did to the American born muslim whose name escapes me at the moment. Without even an indictment, they killed him by drone, I think in Africa somewhere. That set the precedent for the extrajudicial, extralegal, killing of US citizens.

Again, Napolitano's hypothetical was in fact, the status quo.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Regarding Habeas, just guessing on the time frame here, when Napolitano "what if" said the government can hold you indefinitely based only on allegations, he was correct. About 4 years ago, the catch-all National Defense Authorization Act, an annual event, had the government granting itself the power of indefinite detention, as long as the Executive claims that the person being held is a "terrorist". That my friend, is an effective repeal of Habeas Corpus. A previous piece of legislation from the Bush era, the Military Commissions Act, effectively did the same thing. Napolitano's rhetorical "what if" had come to pass.

Regarding POTUS killing you without due process, that is precisely what Obama did to the American born muslim whose name escapes me at the moment. Without even an indictment, they killed him by drone, I think in Africa somewhere. That set the precedent for the extrajudicial, extralegal, killing of US citizens.

Again, Napolitano's hypothetical was in fact, the status quo.
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Please get back to me when you have a name and more specifics on that. Thank you.
 
haymarket said:
Please get back to me when you have a name and more specifics on that. Thank you.
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Thanks, I'll pass. I'm still trying to earn a living and have better things to do than inform brainwashed Americans.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Thanks, I'll pass. I'm still trying to earn a living and have better things to do than inform brainwashed Americans.
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Good description of the crowd who follows Napalitano. People who spend their entire adult lives living at the intersection of Slippery Slope Street and Paranoia Place.
 
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