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Gaugingcatenate said:

Good points on the reality even though I don't know if I agree with you on the Rev Wright aftermath.

This dropped off before the election, and one has to wonder why. And truthfully, if it were so important to the left, protection of women, as they say it was... and with all the gnashing of teeth, clinching of fists, calling of names bad as they made it out to be, why ever give it up?

To me, having dealt with and observed that side so many years now, it was just a kitchen sink throwing exercise, pure and simple. Didn't stick but for the short while.

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You're essential question is "why do people attack candidates before an election and then not so much after?" Well I hope we can all agree that it's an obvious answer. The election's over. This isn't a one sided thing. If Clinton had won you'd be hearing about who she's appointing, what happened with the hacking (to a lesser extent but probably still hearing about it just because it's a juicy story) and if there are conflicts of interest since she has the Clinton foundation. Since Trump won we are talking about all of the conflicts of interest he has, how he's going to govern, what he is currently doing etc.

I'm not willing to call any of the women liars since that hasn't been shown, but we just simply don't know if they are being 100% honest or not. I tend to think it's extremely likely that the ones claiming Trump groped them are telling the truth seeing as how he is the type that brags about walking in on nude beauty pageant contestants or of what he can get away with when meeting a woman. If they are being honest then they came out when they did to say "we need you to know what happened before you vote so you have all the info". People had the info, his supporters didn't believe any of it, so there's not much of a point for those women to drag themselves through the media anymore unless they feel like ding so. The argument that if they were really sexually assaulted then they'd keep attacking doesn't hold up. I don't think people understand the kind of **** that these girls went through. A number of them had to be promised to be provided full time security so that journalists could publish their stories, for fear of their lives from angry supporters, and I'm not saying this is a one sided thing, I'm sure Bill Clinton accusers got the same thing.

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Casper said:

Or were those checks from trump, guess we will never know now.

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If they were we'd know as everyone knows when someone settles out of court or are you implying that none of these women had the integrity to stick with defending themselves and instead took the money under the table and won't talk about it?

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rocket88 said:

Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky have also faded into the woodwork. I guess it wasn't true about Bill Clinton either.

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False, there were hearings on these things.

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Gaugingcatenate said:

Anybody else wonder what happened to all those accusations splashed across all of MSM accusing Trump of sexual misconduct? Especially the MSM broadcast media apparently seems to pretty much have forgotten them.

I mean, if they were so important, so plausible, so meaningful in the crusade against Trump and to protect women [ or, was it plausibly just one woman, Hillary?], where did all the MSM coverage and outrage go?

Questions in my mind:

Are the number of accusations still growing... or did this also stop with the election in Trump's favor? Why would that be?

Just what can be correctly surmised by this almost complete absence, this desertion of the story by the MSM?

Is it only because MSM believes it will no longer harvest much in the way of viewership? Did the media just lose interest or...??? Are these women no longer needed now that they served their purpose? What?

In my search I notied most of the coverage ended before November, before the election month in other words...was it just timed poorly if they wanted it to affect the election outcome?

Then again, Maybe my search engines or search criteria need a boost?

Some of the most recent stuff I could find:

Oct 24
List of Trump's women accusers continues to grow | MSNBC

These women have accused Trump of sexual harassment - CNNPolitics.com

Oct 27
The Women Who’ve Accused Donald Trump of Sexual Misconduct - Us Weekly


Nov 11
The Women Who’ve Accused Donald Trump of Sexual Misconduct - Us Weekly

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The stories were so debunked, fairly well in total, that I think even a shameless MSM became leery of continuing to promote them. They managed to put the notion in the head of people like Megan Kelly and other well known figures who hated Trump anyway, and trusted that there were enough trolls and fake news advocates on social media and message boards, etc. to keep the stories alive and well and such people don't usually include anything that would expose the fallacies they promote.

Even Megan hasn't been bringing that stuff up in EVERY one of her programs lately, and she has had a few complimentary things to say about the President-elect, though she does still seem to be digging vigorously to find anything to discredit Trump and almost gleefully reports anything she can use to make him look bad or suspect.

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Cardinal said:

I stopped reading there since I just saw a lot of emoticons and assumed the rest of your post was nonsense.

Again, why are you looking to be reminded of Trump's awfulness?

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Ahhh, now I understand, you have reading comprehension problems. Would have thought the cartoonish emoticons would have draw you in as they are less intimidating than big ol scary arguments.

Not worth it trying to have a conversation with folks like you. Having no particularly intelligent comments to convey, little to no humor nor wit, nothing clever or even factual, generally. In the dust bin ya go. :2wave:

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rocket88 said:

If we're going by the standard set in The OP it didn't. I am merely accepting that as the ground rules. Disappeared = didn't happen. Or is it different this time?

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If they never were credible or do not bring evidence of such offenses that can be proven in a court of law OR if such evidence doesn't cause Trump to pay off the accusers, no it didn't happen. Lewinsky happened, as the blue dress had the DNA, an impeachment, and a confession after the fact. Paula Jones happened, as Bill payed her. In Trumps cases.... are there any articles of clothing with DNA? Did Trump pay any of them to go away? Any lawsuits with evidence?

If not, no ... it didn't happen and it was just another DNC tactic which the American people saw through.

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reinoe said:

They got their DNC checks and have moved back to the streets of NYC to be with their pimps.

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That wasn't nice... A lot of them are free-lancers...

:mrgreen:

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Gaugingcatenate said:

Ahhh, now I understand, you have reading comprehension problems.

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Nope, it's just that when I look at a post I can immediately see when it's full of emoticons and know right away that it's a crap post with nothing of substance. When you've been on online debate forums long enough there are just certain patterns that repeat themselves. Starting a long post where the first sentence contains "lib" or "libtard" is another giveaway that the post isn't worth reading. Saves time.

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Gaugingcatenate said:

He didn't say it would be his first priority, or did I miss that?

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Well maybe the MSM didn't say that the sexual stories on Trump would continue right away after the election too, or did I miss that? Meanwhile you try to keep me updated on the unproven sexual stories on Trump and I will keep you updated on the lawsuit pertaining to those stories.

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Fishking said:

False, there were hearings on these things.

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So what you're saying is there should be hearings on Trump as well?

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faithful_servant said:

That wasn't nice... A lot of them are free-lancers...

:mrgreen:

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Another post implying Trump likes the hookers. Both from the right. Hmmm....

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Gaugingcatenate said:

There was no real news to report from the beginning. Fake news is not news. And where did you get that 130,000 figure from... MSM? Did they poll all those folks, polling being so accurate, yanno.

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Ooookay....

It was real women making real assertions about Trump's behavior. There was nothing "fake" about it, and the fact that you can't tell the difference between a fake news story, and a real one, does not help your cause.

Uh huh, got polling on that too? ha ha ha :lamo Sorry, cannot help it, you were so deluded with the veracity of polls before when I told you they were off, so gonna get beating ya up on it.

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:roll:

1) Since you need to be reminded: Trump lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million, which is the biggest margin while taking the Electoral College in the history of our country. His losing by 2% was within the margin of error.

2) Your logic is, unsurprisingly, abysmal. The accusations of sexual harassment are obviously unrelated to polling firms.

3) Your attempts to discredit these women just brings the issue up again. Nice job!

This is why people are dropping what they once thought to be credible news services and flocking to alternatives.

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Try again.

What's happening today is not much different than in the heyday of Yellow Journalism, or what happens in the UK or really throughout most of history after Gutenberg. There is a diversity of media outlets, with a variety of political perspectives and points of view. This winds up putting most media consumers into silos that cater to their preferences.

The real problem is that many people (currently, mostly on the right) can't tell the difference between a real news story, and a bat**** crazy conspiracy theory. This is likely a result of the right wing's perception that they are losing agency, mostly because they have lost culture war after culture war, and because America is gradually becoming less white.

Don't even try that blowhard kind of bunk with truth seekers. The time of false accusers accusing the rest of us and trying to intimidate us into backing off the truth has past....

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("Truth seekers..." lol)

And yet, here you are, desperately trying to discredit a handful of women who haven't spoken in public in a few weeks.

It's pretty clear that you are engaging in a time-worn tactic of attempting to appropriate the criticisms of your rivals. When someone on the left points out that the right is up to its eyeballs in conspiracy theories and fake news, you attempt to impute it to the left instead. How predictable.

The left lost, and, as they say, elections have consequences...

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lol

Yes, when Obama won in 2008 and 2012, the right should have just curled up into a little ball, and quit politics altogether. lol

Sorry, but your position is self-serving hypocritical nonsense. You've elected an autocrat, with no respect for the Constitution, who is drowning in conflicts of interest; who failed to appeal to most minority groups; who catered to white supremacists with a wink and a nod; who destroyed the conservative attachment to character as a standard in selecting politicians; who admires foreign dictators, and is practically in Putin's back pocket; who thinks a President should throw a temper tantrum every time a magazine gives one of his restaurants a bad review; who is revving up to make the rich even richer, while doing nothing for the middle class; who wound up letting a manufacturer move more jobs to Mexico than they kept in the US, while collecting $7 million in tax breaks; who claims he wants to repeal the ACA while keeping almost every major component of it, and who will now be responsible for every increase in premiums, for every person who loses health care coverage, for every drug that goes up in price.

The tide has turned, its coming back to America again.

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lol

This is not the first time in US history when conservatives have tried to turn the clock back, and they almost always lose in the long run.

Sorry dude, but you do not decide what America is or means.

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reinoe said:

They got their DNC checks and have moved back to the streets of NYC to be with their pimps.

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Actually, the DNC pays cash according to unnamed sources within the intelligence community.

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AlbqOwl said:

The stories were so debunked, fairly well in total, that I think even a shameless MSM became leery of continuing to promote them.

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Uh... no. In fact, one of the alleged debunkers turned out to be a serial attention-seeker and liar, who once claimed he prostituted underage boys to UK politicians.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...legation-british-witness-anthony-gilberthorpe

Trump Puts Forward A Defender Who Pimped Out Young Boys To High Ranking British Politicians (UPDATED) | RedState

They managed to put the notion in the head of people like Megan Kelly and other well known figures who hated Trump anyway...

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Yes, it's really crazy how when a dozen credible witnesses come forward, it tends to convince some people. Who knew?

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Visbek said:

Uh... no. In fact, one of the alleged debunkers turned out to be a serial attention-seeker and liar, who once claimed he prostituted underage boys to UK politicians.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...legation-british-witness-anthony-gilberthorpe

Trump Puts Forward A Defender Who Pimped Out Young Boys To High Ranking British Politicians (UPDATED) | RedState



Yes, it's really crazy how when a dozen credible witnesses come forward, it tends to convince some people. Who knew?

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That's one of a great many. How about the rest?

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Fishking said:

If they were we'd know as everyone knows when someone settles out of court or are you implying that none of these women had the integrity to stick with defending themselves and instead took the money under the table and won't talk about it?

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No you would not know if part of the deal and it often is in settlements. I am only pointing out that there is more than possibility and I would think that what I mentioned is far more likely than some covert DNC action.

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rocket88 said:

So what you're saying is there should be hearings on Trump as well?

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Will there be?

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rocket88 said:

Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky have also faded into the woodwork. I guess it wasn't true about Bill Clinton either.

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Lewinsky didn't just fade away, Clinton got impeached over his affair with her. And Trump either invited or threatened to invite Gennifer Flowers to one of the debates. So I think it's fair to say they didn't just fade away, they were very significant to Bill's time in office as well as his legacy.

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roughdraft274 said:

You're essential question is "why do people attack candidates before an election and then not so much after?" Well I hope we can all agree that it's an obvious answer. The election's over. This isn't a one sided thing. If Clinton had won you'd be hearing about who she's appointing, what happened with the hacking (to a lesser extent but probably still hearing about it just because it's a juicy story) and if there are conflicts of interest since she has the Clinton foundation. Since Trump won we are talking about all of the conflicts of interest he has, how he's going to govern, what he is currently doing etc.

I'm not willing to call any of the women liars since that hasn't been shown, but we just simply don't know if they are being 100% honest or not. I tend to think it's extremely likely that the ones claiming Trump groped them are telling the truth seeing as how he is the type that brags about walking in on nude beauty pageant contestants or of what he can get away with when meeting a woman. If they are being honest then they came out when they did to say "we need you to know what happened before you vote so you have all the info". People had the info, his supporters didn't believe any of it, so there's not much of a point for those women to drag themselves through the media anymore unless they feel like ding so. The argument that if they were really sexually assaulted then they'd keep attacking doesn't hold up. I don't think people understand the kind of **** that these girls went through. A number of them had to be promised to be provided full time security so that journalists could publish their stories, for fear of their lives from angry supporters, and I'm not saying this is a one sided thing, I'm sure Bill Clinton accusers got the same thing.

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You may not be willing to call them iiars, I am also not willing to give them a pass.

Too suspicious, too conveniently popped up, too conveniently ended after Trump said he was going to sue.

And you can be sure that had Hill won, there would still be Congress after her for all those many laws she has broken, the lying she has done to Congress. That would not have died down as it is/was most certainly real and people are gonna remain pissed off about it. Impeachment would not have been off the table in my opinion. I would say these women should, if they feel they have a case, push back hard on Trump. Trump should in turn push back on them.

This sort of crap has to stop somewhere, sometime and this is as good a time as any. I would like an investigation of this as well as the paid disruptors of the Trump rallies. Would like to see legislation regarding collusion between media and political campaigns so that we can have some confidence in the process... and there should be something done to prevent a major national party from rigging its own nomination process.

Kick people out of the party minimum.

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AlbqOwl said:

The stories were so debunked, fairly well in total, that I think even a shameless MSM became leery of continuing to promote them. They managed to put the notion in the head of people like Megan Kelly and other well known figures who hated Trump anyway, and trusted that there were enough trolls and fake news advocates on social media and message boards, etc. to keep the stories alive and well and such people don't usually include anything that would expose the fallacies they promote.

Even Megan hasn't been bringing that stuff up in EVERY one of her programs lately, and she has had a few complimentary things to say about the President-elect, though she does still seem to be digging vigorously to find anything to discredit Trump and almost gleefully reports anything she can use to make him look bad or suspect.

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I agree, some of the accusations were so petty anyhow, not ANYWHERE even close to the likes of what Bill Clinton was accused of doing...at the same time understanding that unwanted advances are not cool if Trump pushed too far. But I agree, seemed like a put up job to me, all almost coordinated, coming out at the same time, ending almost without a whimper. In stark contrast to Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick et al, after all these years.

As to Kelly, I don't watch TV but feel she needs to jump ship. She is no longer credible in my book, seems too attracted to the bright lights and all the glitters. I hope she does just as the MSM heats up, brigthtens blindingly before they super nova then turning into a well deserved black hole.

All MSM has discredited itself and has driven even casual viewers to doubt anything they now assert. It will be interesting with ongoing debates on this site with all those on the other side who always want to call crap on our news sources and the newer alternative news sites when all theirs have so disgraced themselves. To which we now, on this side, can call crap on their sites with undeniable assurance. Most of us who follow news, history and politics were aware of the extreme bias before, but even I had really no true idea about the lengths to which that cohort group proved willing to go.

I became proud of Trump calling them out in such clear terms, many of them truly are not even close to being worthy of the title journalists.

Once trust is lost, almost no turning that around.

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Cardinal said:

Nope, it's just that when I look at a post I can immediately see when it's full of emoticons and know right away that it's a crap post with nothing of substance. When you've been on online debate forums long enough there are just certain patterns that repeat themselves. Starting a long post where the first sentence contains "lib" or "libtard" is another giveaway that the post isn't worth reading. Saves time.

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Yeah yeah yeah, but that you were that clever and cogent.

Classic Dunning-Kruger post. Thanks, I needed the laugh. :lamo:lamo:lamo :2wave:

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Bob N said:

Well maybe the MSM didn't say that the sexual stories on Trump would continue right away after the election too, or did I miss that? Meanwhile you try to keep me updated on the unproven sexual stories on Trump and I will keep you updated on the lawsuit pertaining to those stories.

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Yeah, I am sure that is it... all these girls, many now older ladies, have so many more important things to do... Bwhhahhhahahahahahahaaaa

What happened is the so called "news" providers have made several jumps from those silly stories that never truly grabbed any traction, now there is the "fake news", oh and let us not forget the big bad Russians ha ha ha. What will it be next week, Hybrid Nazi aliens helped Trump?

Then what???

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Gaugingcatenate said:

Yeah-

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lots of emoticons. Not worth reading.

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Visbek said:

Ooookay....

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Sorry dude, but you do not decide what America is or means.

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Dude, you are/have been so full of yourself, its hard to keep my head from exploding reading your bigoted and ill informed trash. But then, makes me want to laugh, too.

Hell, guess I'll give it the ol coup de grace.

Go ahead, prove their stories real. You can't. Simple.

Chances of Trump winning by one of the, back then, more respected prognosticators 538...that look like they were saying 2%? Looks like they gave Hill a 71% chance of winning. :lamo

You don't catch on too fast, do ya? Not here to clue you in any more. I just debate here, don't profess to turn water to wine, don't walk on water... I cannot perform the miracle of giving you sight again. If you ever had it.

Jesus dude, still hang on to your MSM like its family??? More aptly, its your religion. I get it, its why you cannot be cured, will never be able to see, you have voluntarily put your own eyes out choosing to walk in darkness led by other stupid blind folk. Hopeless. Anybody who couldn't see the incredible bias that even most MSM has, grudgingly, now itself admitted, well, like I said, hopeless.

I didn't discredit anybody, I will let them do that themselves, like I have let you do to yourself here. You, and they, need little help from me.

We were calling you on fake news for years...hardly ANY of what I quoted was particularly new. New to you maybe, cause you apparently don't follow real news.

Curled up into a little ball? Me? I am no lefty liberal weenie, why would I do that? You have not the first clue about our Constitution it appears. If you were actually concerned about our Constitution you would have been far more worried with a Barry H O bomb a... but you were clueless and so someone took your hand, those other blind folks leading you, told you Trump is the big bad boogie man. So you believe.

As to how Trump handles his interests, and yes, as a self made billionaire he does have multiple business interests that he has built up over his years, not stole from the people like YOUR girl and her sexual molesting husband that she enabled, and so we will see how he handles that. Unlike you and yours, if he goes off in the wrong direction, I, we on this side, will call him on that.

We have pretty good insight just by his leadership, his energy since being elected, already, appointing the right kind of folks in positions to help improve, strengthen America. Moves that give confidence that he will do the right things generally. Little doubt he would move heaven and earth to save Americans, not just hang them out to dry never even making an attempt like your boy and your misguided crooked old lady did in Benghazi. He will not use the IRS to go after opponent political groups, he by god, better by god, rip out O bomb acare by its friggin roots, he will strengthen our military, give them pride again, stop the namby pamby social engineering experiments that drive good strong folk away from our military and weakens us so that others are encouraged to attack, he will clean up our weak trade deals, confront currency manipulations so we are competitively producing for the world, bringing back jobs to deserving AMERICANS, control our borders, get a handle on immigration, stop the importation of terrorists. At least he will try, not like your weak excuse for a president...he will make it happen, "wave a magic wand".

You are so hood winked its tragicl. You actually believed the polls, you believe the silly white supremacists comic-book portrayals, completely lost man. Disgusting saying such vile uninformed bull ****... utterly hopeless.

No, you are right, I don't get to decide what America is or means. We, the people, get to decide that together. You remember us? The ones that just handed the entire Federal government over to the ones we trust, the Republicans because Democrats overshot their wad, tried to change us in ways we just damn well did not want to go. Obvious. And Trump has at least one SCOTUS pick, nobody blocking any federal court appointments, we have 33 out of the 50 governorships [read: super majority], 68 out of 99 State legislative houses [ read again: super majority], 23 states where we have a trifecta, governor and the legislatures. You folks and your anti American policies got run out of town on the proverbial rail.

Should be, metaphorically, tarred and feathered for what y'all have done and further tried to do to damage us, our culture, our heritage.

We have decided. That tide has turned. Get used to it. Hell, Trump has already ripped the presidency out of the lazy socialist's grasp, he just isn't president officially yet. So his first four haven't even begun and he is impacting like no president in history... already ....already...

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Fishking said:

Will there be?

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I don't know, but it seems that you'd be good with it.