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MRC/YouGov Poll: Most Voters Saw, Rejected News Media Bias

AlbqOwl said:
MRC aims for objectivity.
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I got a huge laugh from that comment. Did you even bother to read your own cut and paste??

AlbqOwl said:
...MRC’s sole mission is to expose and neutralize the propaganda arm of the Left: the national news media. This makes the MRC’s work unique within the conservative movement.

The Media Research Center’s unwavering commitment to neutralizing left-wing bias in the news media and popular culture has influenced how millions of Americans perceive "so-called" objective reporting.

Integrating cutting-edge news monitoring capabilities with a sophisticated marketing operation, MRC reaches nearly 203.6 million Americans each week to educate them about left-wing bias in the media.

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MRC is not a objective media watchdog. It is really just another part of the right wing slime machine working to propagandize the public.

And since when does public polling prove anything about how biased the media is? It doesn't. The only thing MRC has proven is that right wing propaganda is working to shape public opinion.

At least Media Matters actually collects and analyzes data to support their points.
 
Cardinal said:
It was only a year ago that if somebody posted a made-up fact it was quickly demonstrated to be untrue by linking to an exact quote, statistic or video. Now Republicans have completed their retreat into Conservapedialand, and they need never be wrong again.
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The NYT admitted that their reporting was far left and they needed to change their toon. They haven't. CNN admitted that their reporting was far left and they needed to change their toon. They haven't. NBC admitted that their reporting was far left and they needed to change their toon. They haven't. CBS hasn't done anything other than what they did in the beginning. WaPo, same thing. Accept or not people won't give the MSM their trust until they earn it back and they don't seem willing to report reality yet. They are stuck in their own echo chamber and don't seem willing to leave.
 
NonoBadDog said:
You think I am going to trust your word at anything?
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Clinton campaign email: Comey letters threw the election to Trump - POLITICO

That’s when the momentum shifted toward Republicans, he said: “Voters who decided in the last week broke for Trump by a larger margin (42-47). These numbers were even more exaggerated in the key battleground states.”

Nayak blamed the Comey letters for depressing turnout among Clinton supporters in large cities like Philadelphia, Milwaukee and Detroit after initial record early-voting numbers.
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Clinton wins my one point and the final week vote breaks by five points to Trump after the Comey letter. It provided the difference in several key states.

How Much Did Comey Hurt Clinton’s Chances? | FiveThirtyEight

When FBI Director James Comey told Congress on Oct. 28 that he was reviewing additional emails pertinent to the case of Hillary Clinton’s email server, Clinton had an 81 percent chance of winning the election according to our polls-only forecast. Today, her chances are 65 percent according to the same forecast. The change corresponds with Clinton’s drop in the national popular-vote lead: from a 5.7-percentage-point lead in our estimate on Oct. 28 to a 2.9-point lead now — so a swing of about 3 points against her.
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Analysis: FBI chief Comey's actions changed election irreversibly

For one thing, it staunched rising momentum for Clinton, causing enough concern that she largely shelved plans to adopt a more positive message in the campaign's close in favor of continued attack on her rival.
For another, it got Trump out of the spotlight for vulgar comments on the Access Hollywood video and back on offense. He and his allies used word of a new FBI investigation and an erroneous report on Fox News to argue that Clinton was about to be indicted.

Down the ballot, the renewed controversy prompted Democratic strategists to lower their calculations on the number of House and Senate seats their candidates were likely to pick up.
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Clinton vs. Trump: Where Clinton’s Lead in Polls Dropped After Comey Letter | Heavy.com

However, how strong is the “Comey Effect” on the presidential race? Did Comey’s October Surprise give Donald Trump a boost?

In 12 of 14 battleground states, a review of RealClearPolitics’ polling averages found, support for Clinton dropped from October 27 (the day before the letter’s release) through November 3. Only in Maine has Clinton’s support risen since the day before the Comey letter. However, Maine is a rarity; it splits its electors by Congressional District, and Trump is doing better in its Second Congressional District, where the race is tighter.

Iowa has had no polling since the Comey letter’s release. (See the end of this article for a detailed state-by-state breakdown.) The drops have been steepest in Nevada, Colorado, Virginia, New Hampshire, and Arizona.

In the national polling averages from FiveThirtyEight and RealClearPolitics, Clinton’s support fell 2.7 and 2.6 percentage points since the day before the Comey release.
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This is beyond denial - even for a Trump loyalist. Comey decided the election in breaking the Hatch Act. He belongs in prison. Lock him up.

Nono - this is the part where you thank me for proving my claim and apologize for doubting me.
 
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haymarket said:
Clinton campaign email: Comey letters threw the election to Trump - POLITICO



Clinton wins my one point and the final week vote breaks by five points to Trump after the Comey letter. It provided the difference in several key states.

How Much Did Comey Hurt Clinton’s Chances? | FiveThirtyEight


Analysis: FBI chief Comey's actions changed election irreversibly



Clinton vs. Trump: Where Clinton’s Lead in Polls Dropped After Comey Letter | Heavy.com


This is beyond denial - even for a Trump loyalist. Comey decided the election in breaking the Hatch Act. He belongs in prison. Lock him up.

Nono - this is the part where you thank me for proving my claim and apologize for doubting me.
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Who did the server belong to?
 
haymarket said:
Clinton campaign email: Comey letters threw the election to Trump - POLITICO



Clinton wins my one point and the final week vote breaks by five points to Trump after the Comey letter. It provided the difference in several key states.

How Much Did Comey Hurt Clinton’s Chances? | FiveThirtyEight


Analysis: FBI chief Comey's actions changed election irreversibly



Clinton vs. Trump: Where Clinton’s Lead in Polls Dropped After Comey Letter | Heavy.com


This is beyond denial - even for a Trump loyalist. Comey decided the election in breaking the Hatch Act. He belongs in prison. Lock him up.

Nono - this is the part where you thank me for proving my claim and apologize for doubting me.
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You mean the truth did... a truth that never in your life, will you or other leftists like you, ever admit to.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Who did the server belong to?
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You asked for evidence and I gave it to you in spades. When you saw it destroyed your argument - you opted to play ostrich, stick your head in the sand and ignore it attempting to move the goal posts. Sad. Very very sad.
 
Grim17 said:
You mean the truth did... a truth that never in your life, will you or other leftists like you, ever admit to.
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Your post makes no sense on any level as a reply to the post from me you reproduced as its lead in and what you pretended you were responding to.
 
Buzz said:
I got a huge laugh from that comment. Did you even bother to read your own cut and paste??



MRC is not a objective media watchdog. It is really just another part of the right wing slime machine working to propagandize the public.

And since when does public polling prove anything about how biased the media is? It doesn't. The only thing MRC has proven is that right wing propaganda is working to shape public opinion.

At least Media Matters actually collects and analyzes data to support their points.
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I think you have that backwards. I haven't found much that Media Matters has presented honestly. And I don't recall a single dishonest representation from MRC.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I haven't found much that Media Matters has presented honestly. And I don't recall a single dishonest representation from MRC.
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Not surprising considering your obvious lack of reading comprehension skills. Or is it bias that has blinded you to the truth?
 
haymarket said:
Your post makes no sense on any level as a reply to the post from me you reproduced as its lead in and what you pretended you were responding to.
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Let me see if I can clear it up for you.

Grim17 said:
haymarket said:
This is beyond denial - even for a Trump loyalist. Comey decided the election in breaking the Hatch Act.
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You mean the truth did... a truth that never in your life, will you or other leftists like you, ever admit to.
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Does it make sense now, or do i have to hold your hand and walk you through it again?
 
Grim17 said:
Let me see if I can clear it up for you.



Does it make sense now, or do i have to hold your hand and walk you through it again?
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The only Truth Comey had was that he had nothing to warrant the letter in the first place but still broke the Hatch Act and illegally interfered with the election tipping it to Trump and the GOP.
 
Grim17 said:
How sad it is that you have to parse words
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Parse words? Those were his exact words and their meanings. How sad you try to ignore them because they dispel the myth you constantly promote.

You know exactly what he was talking about
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I do, as do you, but I'm the only one responding to what he said. You're twisting his words to distract from the obvious hypocrisy in what he wrote.

It's that kind of partisan BS
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I'm not partisan. I care about facts. I post things which align with both sides of the political aisle at varying times. You, however, have been crusading on the nonsense of a "liberal media" for a long time. The only one of us who is partisan is you and there is more than enough evidence to prove it.
RetiredNSmilin said:
Wait, wait....are you telling me FOX NEWS is biased to the right?
I am shocked, I tell you, shocked!
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I know, it's hard to believe. But you know what is is hard to believe? When people talked about biased media, they usually fail to mention the biases which exist on the right. Which is what I'm pointing out.
 
haymarket said:
The only Truth Comey had was that he had nothing to warrant the letter in the first place but still broke the Hatch Act and illegally interfered with the election tipping it to Trump and the GOP.
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He did have something to warrant the letter. Koskinen from the IRS is under impeachment hearings for hiding information from Congress regarding internal investigations after promising to keep them updated. Comey held to his sworn testimony before Congress to keep them updated on any new findings. Further, he consulted Lynch before writing the letter. She did not refuse sending it.
 
NonoBadDog said:
The NYT admitted that their reporting was far left and they needed to change their toon. They haven't. CNN admitted that their reporting was far left and they needed to change their toon. They haven't. NBC admitted that their reporting was far left and they needed to change their toon. They haven't. CBS hasn't done anything other than what they did in the beginning. WaPo, same thing. Accept or not people won't give the MSM their trust until they earn it back and they don't seem willing to report reality yet. They are stuck in their own echo chamber and don't seem willing to leave.
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This is substantially worse than the idea of news having a left or right leaning slant. This is about an entire political party's retreat into altogether fake news. Not simply right slanted, but fake. At best the facts have been so distorted that they no longer bear any resemblance to the original articles that inspired them. The damage you do to yourselves by relegating yourselves to them is as bad as the damage you do to the national dialogue.
 
Cardinal said:
This is substantially worse than the idea of news having a left or right leaning slant. This is about an entire political party's retreat into altogether fake news. Not simply right slanted, but fake. At best the facts have been so distorted that they no longer bear any resemblance to the original articles that inspired them. The damage you do to yourselves by relegating yourselves to them is as bad as the damage you do to the national dialogue.
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NYT is fake news. CNN is fake news. WaPo is fake news. NBC is fake news. CBS is fake news. It all depends on the definition of fake news. If they outright lie or editorialize their "news" articles then all the aforementioned are fake news.
 
NonoBadDog said:
NYT is fake news. CNN is fake news. WaPo is fake news. NBC is fake news. CBS is fake news. It all depends on the definition of fake news. If they outright lie or editorialize their "news" articles then all the aforementioned are fake news.
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If they lie outright they're fired. If they get a fact wrong they issue corrections or retractions. Even if they didn't lie outright but still didn't adequately vet their sources their careers are ruined forever (Dan Rather). That's what it means to be part of a newspaper with journalistic standards. That's what separates The New York Times from Breitbart. When was the last time anybody from Thinkprogress, Breitbart or Hot Air was fired for publishing a fake story?

As for slants, that's not "fake," that's life. That's why I diversify my newsfeed as much as possible, though as I already said in another thread that is becoming almost impossible since the Right Wing has nearly completed its move into fake news.
 
Cardinal said:
If they lie outright they're fired. If they get a fact wrong they issue corrections or retractions. Even if they didn't lie outright but still didn't adequately vet their sources their careers are ruined forever (Dan Rather). That's what it means to be part of a newspaper with journalistic standards. That's what separates The New York Times from Breitbart. When was the last time anybody from Thinkprogress, Breitbart or Hot Air was fired for publishing a fake story?

As for slants, that's not "fake," that's life. That's why I diversify my newsfeed as much as possible, though as I already said in another thread that is becoming almost impossible since the Right Wing has nearly completed its move into fake news.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/u...-from-the-publisher-and-executive-editor.html
It is also to hold power to account, impartially and unflinchingly. You can rely on The New York Times to bring the same fairness, the same level of scrutiny, the same independence to our coverage of the new president and his team.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/p...better-campaign-coverage-was-needed.html?_r=0
Since the election, I have been on the phone with many Times readers around the country, including Capwell, to discuss their concerns about The Times’s coverage of the presidential election. The number of complaints coming into the public editor’s office is five times the normal level, and the pace has only just recently tapered off.
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The Times’s executive editor, Dean Baquet, and its publisher, Arthur Sulzberger Jr., sent an extraordinary post-election letter to subscribers that was in part an attempt to assure readers there was some self-reflection going on in the newsroom about its coverage. It included a vow to “rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism. That is to report America and the world honestly, without fear or favor, striving always to understand and reflect all political perspectives and life experiences…” But they also used the occasion to congratulate themselves on their swift, agile and creative coverage on election night, and they praised their journalism as fair to both candidates and unflinching in its scrutiny.
I suspect that gesture soothed some readers, but many others were expecting more of an apology. And some were repelled by what they described as a self-congratulatory tone and what several viewed as a lack of sincerity.
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The New York Times, other outlets crying 'wolf' over Trump | TheHill
It’s now Day 13 since the media declared it needed to do some serious soul-searching and rethink the way it covers Donald Trump.

Here are your headlines in today’s New York Times:

Trump Turns Staid Cabinet Process Into Spectacle
Alt-Right Exults in Election With Salute of ‘Heil Victory’

Indian Business Partners Hope to Exploit Trump Ties

Many in Milwaukee Neighborhood Didn’t Vote — And Don’t Regret It

Let’s Say Obamacare Is Repealed. What Then?

Critic’s Notebook: ‘Hamilton’ Duel: Addressing the President-Elect on His Own Blunt Terms

How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study

Reince Priebus, Normalizer in Chief: As Mr. Trump’s new chief of staff, the lifelong G.O.P. loyalist will have to guide an outsider president and his band of radicals through a city they’ve pledged to upend.

And these New York Times editorials:

Blow: Making America White Again

Krugman: Build He Won’t

A Retreat From TPP Would Empower China

On Campus: A Dreamer’s Deportation Nightmare

Op-Ed: Voting Rights in the Age of Trump
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This is just the NYT. This doesn't include little tidbits like Harwood and Brazile with CNN. I can't force anyone to get out of their echo chamber. Stay in there if you want but the prognosis ain't pretty.
 
NonoBadDog said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/u...-from-the-publisher-and-executive-editor.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/p...better-campaign-coverage-was-needed.html?_r=0


The New York Times, other outlets crying 'wolf' over Trump | TheHill


This is just the NYT. This doesn't include little tidbits like Harwood and Brazile with CNN. I can't force anyone to get out of their echo chamber. Stay in there if you want but the prognosis ain't pretty.
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And the information you use to shed a light on the New York Times is taken from soul searching expressed by...the New York Times.
 
Cardinal said:
And the information you use to shed a light on the New York Times is taken from soul searching expressed by...the New York Times.
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And one editor that stated that it wasn't enough in a later article. They wrote one letter and continued on their marry old path to failure. The latter article pretty much states that. They didn't change a thing.
 
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