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2016 election results

Kal'Stang

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2016 Election Results

No quote as this isn't an article per se. But I'd like to draw to your attention the fact that CNN still has not given Trump Michigan. Why? What are they hoping to gain? Trump still has a majority popular vote in that State. Every other news station out there has given it to Trump. Why hasn't CNN?
 
Kal'Stang said:
2016 Election Results

No quote as this isn't an article per se. But I'd like to draw to your attention the fact that CNN still has not given Trump Michigan. Why? What are they hoping to gain? Trump still has a majority popular vote in that State. Every other news station out there has given it to Trump. Why hasn't CNN?
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That is a good question - the stated percentages are exactly the same for NH and MI yet one is called and not the other.
 
Not sure if it is an oversight or that they gave up, but going to the Michigan results on that page shows the last update was "updated 3:53 pm ET, Nov. 9 - 96% results in."

Going over to the AP results, they show the vote split being 48% or 2,279,210 for Trump against 47% or 2,267,373 for Hillary with "100% reporting." (Just shy of a 12K vote favor for Trump.)

Personally, I think CNN still has some egg on their faces for how they conducted that evening. At 8pm they were all in talking about how Hillary was looking good for 270, one said 300. By 11pm they all looked tired, grim, deflated and kept going back and forth between "this puts all the polling organizations out of business" and "I do not see how Hillary has a path to 270 now."

It was both comical and sad at the same time to watch the transition, perhaps someone in the CNN organization decided they simply did not care enough to keep up once it was clear that Trump crossed 270.
 
Kal'Stang said:
2016 Election Results

No quote as this isn't an article per se. But I'd like to draw to your attention the fact that CNN still has not given Trump Michigan. Why? What are they hoping to gain? Trump still has a majority popular vote in that State. Every other news station out there has given it to Trump. Why hasn't CNN?
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It's been well documented where CNN stands regarding the ideological position they color all their reporting with. Hard to say at this point why they could be holding out.

Given the damage they have done to their reputation, it doesn't seem to make sense.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Not sure if it is an oversight or that they gave up, but going to the Michigan results on that page shows the last update was "updated 3:53 pm ET, Nov. 9 - 96% results in."

Going over to the AP results, they show the vote split being 48% or 2,279,210 for Trump against 47% or 2,267,373 for Hillary with "100% reporting." (Just shy of a 12K vote favor for Trump.)

Personally, I think CNN still has some egg on their faces for how they conducted that evening. At 8pm they were all in talking about how Hillary was looking good for 270, one said 300. By 11pm they all looked tired, grim, deflated and kept going back and forth between "this puts all the polling organizations out of business" and "I do not see how Hillary has a path to 270 now."

It was both comical and sad at the same time to watch the transition, perhaps someone in the CNN organization decided they simply did not care enough to keep up once it was clear that Trump crossed 270.
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Maybe the CNN folks in charge of that are too busy protesting. ;)
 
Kal'Stang said:
Every other news station out there has given it to Trump. Why hasn't CNN?
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When you say "every other news station", to whom do you refer?

CNN hasn't (as you noted.
NBC hasn't: 2016 Election News, Candidates & Polls - NBC News
Google hasn't: https://www.google.com/search?q=presidential+election&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#eob=enn/p//0/0///////////
ABC hasn't: 2016 Presidential Candidates & Election News - ABC News
CBS hasn't: Election 2016 - Live Michigan Election Results - CBSNews.com
BBC hasn't: US Election 2016 Results - BBC News
New York Times hasn't: http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president
Fox News hasn't: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2016/presidential-election-headquarters


I think when you say "every other news station", you don't really mean it. In fact, I'm very curious as to what "news" station you are actually referring.
ocean515 said:
It's been well documented where CNN stands regarding the ideological position they color all their reporting with. Hard to say at this point why they could be holding out.
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Perhaps because...math???
ttwtt78640 said:
Maybe the CNN folks in charge of that are too busy protesting.
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Or maybe because you weren't told the truth in the opening post. I wonder if Kal'Stang will re-enter the thread and apologize for his incredibly misleading (at best) post.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
2016 Election Results

No quote as this isn't an article per se. But I'd like to draw to your attention the fact that CNN still has not given Trump Michigan. Why? What are they hoping to gain? Trump still has a majority popular vote in that State. Every other news station out there has given it to Trump. Why hasn't CNN?
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Not every network has called Michigan. Most haven't. The reason why is that they mostly follow the lead of the AP who have not called Michigan or New Hampshire because there are still a few votes to be counted and they are close enough that a recount is possible. It's their policy not to call a race when it's close enough for a recount.
 
Slyfox696 said:
When you say "every other news station", to whom do you refer?

CNN hasn't (as you noted.
NBC hasn't: 2016 Election News, Candidates & Polls - NBC News
Google hasn't: https://www.google.com/search?q=presidential+election&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#eob=enn/p//0/0///////////
ABC hasn't: 2016 Presidential Candidates & Election News - ABC News
CBS hasn't: Election 2016 - Live Michigan Election Results - CBSNews.com
BBC hasn't: US Election 2016 Results - BBC News
New York Times hasn't: http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president
Fox News hasn't: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2016/presidential-election-headquarters


I think when you say "every other news station", you don't really mean it. In fact, I'm very curious as to what "news" station you are actually referring.
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Actually I did mean it. Apparently though something has changed? I distinctly remember Fox calling MI for Trump on Election Night.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Actually I did mean it.
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But now that you've been shown to be wrong, you'll take it back?

Apparently though something has changed? I distinctly remember Fox calling MI for Trump on Election Night.
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I don't know, I don't watch Fox News. But clearly you were wrong when you said every other news station has called Michigan, correct? Do you acknowledge and apologize for your opening post being so inaccurate?
 
OrphanSlug said:
Not sure if it is an oversight or that they gave up, but going to the Michigan results on that page shows the last update was "updated 3:53 pm ET, Nov. 9 - 96% results in."

Going over to the AP results, they show the vote split being 48% or 2,279,210 for Trump against 47% or 2,267,373 for Hillary with "100% reporting." (Just shy of a 12K vote favor for Trump.)

Personally, I think CNN still has some egg on their faces for how they conducted that evening. At 8pm they were all in talking about how Hillary was looking good for 270, one said 300. By 11pm they all looked tired, grim, deflated and kept going back and forth between "this puts all the polling organizations out of business" and "I do not see how Hillary has a path to 270 now."

It was both comical and sad at the same time to watch the transition, perhaps someone in the CNN organization decided they simply did not care enough to keep up once it was clear that Trump crossed 270.
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You should have watched Fox the nite Obama first won the presidency. When they realised it was over, dead silence.

Priceless.
 
Slyfox696 said:
But now that you've been shown to be wrong, you'll take it back?

I don't know, I don't watch Fox News. But clearly you were wrong when you said every other news station has called Michigan, correct? Do you acknowledge and apologize for your opening post being so inaccurate?
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Would you settle for partially wrong? Like I said, I distinctly remember Fox calling it. I will readily admit that I was wrong for the others though. I can't remember if I had heard that others had called it also or if I had just assumed. I should know better than to assume.
 
Kal'Stang said:
2016 Election Results

No quote as this isn't an article per se. But I'd like to draw to your attention the fact that CNN still has not given Trump Michigan. Why? What are they hoping to gain? Trump still has a majority popular vote in that State. Every other news station out there has given it to Trump. Why hasn't CNN?
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The results arent official yet. So really, its moot. The media calling states is just their opinion. The results are not official until the state certifies the electors and the electors actually vote.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Would you settle for partially wrong?
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I suppose it's better than what I normally get. You were actually completely wrong when you said "every" news station. If it had only been one other station besides CNN, then I could more easily get on board with "partially wrong". But it is actually far more accurate to say "almost ZERO news stations have called Michigan" than to say "most news stations have called Michigan".

But, at the end of the day, we'd simply be quibbling meanings of fairly subjective words.
Like I said, I distinctly remember Fox calling it.
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It's very possible, news stations have called states before and walked back on it. But unless you have a similar claim about "every other" news station, then your opening post was pretty inaccurate.
I will readily admit that I was wrong for the others though. I can't remember if I had heard that others had called it also or if I had just assumed. I should know better than to assume.
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This I appreciate greatly. Nothing is more bothersome to me than people who say something false and refuse to acknowledge it or double down on it.

I appreciate the honesty and integrity in admitting you were mistaken.
 
Master PO said:
yes it is true, because i watched the whole thing for many hours.
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Perhaps. I admit I didn't watch Fox all that late. But it's not called from them as of now. The live Fox feed of called states from election night doesn't include it. And there's a Hot Air article from the next morning claiming it wasn't called by Fox. And I can't find anything that says Fox called it and retracted the call or that they called Michigan at all.
 
Anagram said:
Perhaps. I admit I didn't watch Fox all that late. But it's not called from them as of now. The live Fox feed of called states from election night doesn't include it. And there's a Hot Air article from the next morning claiming it wasn't called by Fox. And I can't find anything that says Fox called it and retracted the call or that they called Michigan at all.
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fox mades their own calls as did other networks.

fox called FL OH PA before CNN did, CNN called CA right after the polls closed there ahead of fox

it was very late about 1:30/ 2:00 Pacific time AM when fox called MI for trump
 
Kal'Stang said:
2016 Election Results

No quote as this isn't an article per se. But I'd like to draw to your attention the fact that CNN still has not given Trump Michigan. Why? What are they hoping to gain? Trump still has a majority popular vote in that State. Every other news station out there has given it to Trump. Why hasn't CNN?
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They just can't bring themselves to do something that might melt their little snowflake existence. I mean, 76 more votes than Clinton is a shocker in their world.
 
NonoBadDog said:
They just can't bring themselves to do something that might melt their little snowflake existence. I mean, 76 more votes than Clinton is a shocker in their world.
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While a lot of people have clearly had a hard time accepting the results of the election. This specifically is not an example of that. It's uncalled for the same reason New Hampshire is uncalled for Clinton by most outlets.
 
NonoBadDog said:
They just can't bring themselves to do something that might melt their little snowflake existence. I mean, 76 more votes than Clinton is a shocker in their world.
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If you would read the thread, you'd notice that virtually none of the news sources have called Michigan, including Fox News.

You really should have read through the thread first. It had nothing to do with snow, simply math.
 
Several hyper partisan here have called the popular vote for her even though it is too close to call
 
ARealConservative said:
Several hyper partisan here have called the popular vote for her even though it is too close to call
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How is it too close to call? She's up by almost a million votes with the majority of votes left to be counted being provisionals in California. (Which have broken heavily Democratic in every election and have been doing even more so this year).

It doesn't matter to the election obviously, but she is going to win the popular vote.
 
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