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Clinton and NYT Whine--BUT They Use SAME TAX BREAK he did.

If i could find ten sources with the same information- that would be ten times as good. But all you have to do is show that the information I presented is not true.

And of course, you did not even go there and were impotent to even try to do so. So it stands as presented and refutes your claim that Clinton is the Wall Street darling as Trump is far far far worse with his promises about Dodd Frank.

I agree that Clinton is far too friendly to Wall Street and spread for their money. But Trump would actually present them with legislation that would do far far far more harm to the nation than any personal enrichment Clinton undertook from Wall Street.

But feel free to present quotes from Clinton that she would deliver to Wall Street the same goodies that Trump has promised to deliver in getting rid of Dodd Frank. If you can do that - you actually have something more than just hatred of Clinton for accessing some big checks for speeches.



:lol: I'd love to quote her, but she won't release her speeches to wall street banks... doesn't that concern you even a little?
 
Come back and tell us all about it after the Alt-Right and Trump get their butts handed to them next month.

I'm looking forward to hearing all of the 'woulda,coulda,shouldas.

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"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers



Baaahhhh....


it's funny how times have changed. all those anti-bush types, now voting for the perpetual war, big business wall street insider, corrupt establishment politician, and against the guy who wants to bring actual jobs back to this country over selling out to overseas interests....


Don't you see how hypocritical your ilk has become?
 
:lol: I'd love to quote her, but she won't release her speeches to wall street banks... doesn't that concern you even a little?

Yes it does. And the Trump promise of actual action concerns me much much much more as it is an explicit promise to change the law and do their bidding.
 
Baaahhhh....


it's funny how times have changed. all those anti-bush types, now voting for the perpetual war, big business wall street insider, corrupt establishment politician, and against the guy who wants to bring actual jobs back to this country over selling out to overseas interests....


Don't you see how hypocritical your ilk has become?



What I see is that Trump is a bigoted,misogynistic,xenophobe who won't see the inside of the White House except as a guest.

Wait (Not long.) and see.
 
What I see is that Trump is a bigoted,misogynistic,xenophobe who won't see the inside of the White House except as a guest.

Wait (Not long.) and see.




It's sad really, like I said, I'm not a trump supporter and long learned this game was rigged. your ilk got robbed by the DNC and you all don't care as you are cheering and voting for the person who robbed you....

the party even got poor sanders to heel like a good little bitch and you all are ok with it.


Pro-perpetual war, corporatist, cornie capitalist, above the law criminal is your candidate, and that's even after she didn't even give you folks a spit courtesy.....
 
We are talking about hillary tho.... bro.

uh no - you were talking about the favorite for the Wall Street crowd. And that would be Trump with his promise to repeal Dodd Frank and other legislation that Wall Street hates.

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It's funny how all the "occupy wall street" types are now voting for the wall street type.....

The "wall street type" is most assuredly Trump. And you failed to present any evidence that the occupy crowd is turning to him.
 
So you think quoting the same thing twice makes your post twice as intelligent or something? :lol:

You haven't address the fact that clinton is in the pockets of the bankers and wall street. you just post "trump bad, derp derp derp"

Interesting - posting Trump's words and his proposals affecting Wall Street is 'derp, derp?' I guess it's true in a way - nothing he says makes any sense - but do you know of any proposal from Trump that would hurt the bankers? He's promised to eliminate estate taxes and take all business taxes to below what hedge fund managers pay today.

Admittedly, Trump has probably taken both sides of every issue, and on issues where he doesn't switch on a weekly basis one proposal will directly conflict with others in such a way that the plan as a whole is laughably impossible, but even given that I don't see why anyone worried about Wall Street should trust Trump on the issue unless we should trust his vague words backed by nothing and completely ignore his actual proposals, to the extent he's bothered making them.
 
nah bro, it was to you.... but dodge the obvious if you must..... It's funny how all the "occupy wall street" types are now voting for the wall street type.....

How embarrassing for you. I was explaining to those hard of understanding why the tax issue was brought up against Trump, and you respond with a stupid non sequitur that heroically missed the point.
 
Never mind.
 
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This is a great example how the media shapes peoples mind. the "alt-right" tag was a straight up hillary/msnbc creation... and look how people jump on it without even knowing what they are speaking of.

Actually, that isn't true, Rev. It wasn't a creation of Clinton's nor MSNBC, although they would probably both like to take credit for it. The term has been around for a while, and conservatives have used it since before she was the nominee.
 
You're the one who should apologize for the Alt-Right BS that you post.

:lol:

Come back when you can spend less time with us.

Come back when you lower your blood pressure. :2rofll:

I'm sure I have more time than you old timer.
 
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This is so hilarious. You couldn't make this stuff up.

Not only did Hillary Clinton use exactly the same tax avoidance scheme that Trump did........
Her buddies at the New York Times used it too!!!

The EXACT same tax break they complained about HIM using!

Clinton and her NYT buddies = Hypocritical Jackasses.

(And stupid.)

Odd, isn't it? I mean how the Media are not reporting this.

Hypocrisy Reigns as New York Times Pays No Income Taxes Yet Attacks Trump's Taxes

OMG, this is groundbreaking! Both the NYT and Hillary Clinton lost a billion dollars each in one year, and have refused to produced their tax returns because they're afraid for the public to know about all the bankruptcies they were responsible for, and how much money their investors lost and how they don't pay federal income tax!

/facepalm

Who knew????



...Oh, wait. Hillary Clinton has released her all of her tax returns over the past 30 years. No bankruptcies. Paid taxes every year. So I guess it's just the NYT that is the meanie-butt hypocrite! :lol:
 
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Nope he is waiting till the IRS clears his taxes as legit.
Otherwise the Clinton news networks will say he was doing something wrong on his taxes.
If the IRS clears him on the audit then there will be no issue that the Clinton news networks can
Slim all over the place with it.

1. The concern is A) he pays no taxes, even if legitimately (if we have a President that is not a taxpayer, shouldn't the people know this)*; B) he is takes negligible charitable contributions, even though he claims to be charitable; C) he receives financing from and has business interests from international interests that would be of interest to the voter; D) his interests should be understood, particularly since he will not put his business in a trust once elected.

2. This so called audit is a flimsy reason not to release the return. There is nothing about an audit that prohibits you from this disclosure. if there really is an audit, lets see the audit letter. I doubt he ever withheld a return that was asked for by a bank because it was under audit.... Audits are a natural thing. Business does not come to a halt because someone's return is under audit.

3. He could release returns from 2010 or 2011 or other years that would not be covered by the audit.

Sorry pal, but you are drinking the Trump Kool-aid. There is zero reason not to release the return other than the obvious: the heat from not disclosing the return is less than the heat he would get if people actually had a look at them (translated: he is hiding something).

* - every return that is out there tells us Trump pays no FIT. Accordingly, it would be fair for the electorate to assume he is not a taxpayer.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1066391998 said:
Come back when you lower your blood pressure. :2rofll:

I'm sure I have more time than you old timer.



I'm only 73,but I plan on sticking around until I'm 117 so that I can see the GOP reduced to a minor,regional, party by massive demographic change.

Do the math,will you still be here then?

BTW: One of my great-grandmothers made it to 105 so I have something to base my plans on.

:lol:



"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.
 
I file an itemized return every year and I take all the legal deductions that I can. I don't ignore deductions so as to donate money to the govt. They take too much of my money as it is. I don't know one person that donates money to the govt by ignoring deductions in their tax returns.
 
I have explained it and so does the link I posted.
Your link said nothing about the difference in why Trump can claim $916,000,000 and Clinton only $3,000, if they were claiming the exact same deduction. Which is the only thing I've been discussing.
Yep because he was allowed to legally as a real estate developer.
But Hillary Clinton is not a real estate developer. So how can you claim she did the same thing, when you say Trump claimed a benefit granted to those in real estate?

Do you really not see why you are wrong?

something someone else brought up as well. There are several things going on at one time.
1. he is taking losses when he sells property to offset the gains on others.
2. he is allowed to deduct the depreciation on the properties that he does buy.
Right, he's being granted the ability to take off taxes under laws which did not apply to Clinton. So not the same thing. How can you claim something is the same thing when you're saying they are clearly different?

Nope I understand it just fine. the problem is that there is nothing that he is doing that is wrong.
There is nothing that he is doing which is illegal. No one is seriously arguing otherwise. But, as you've already noted, "wrong" is a matter of opinion.

can you drop the appeal to emotion argument?
That's not an appeal to emotion argument. Your grasp of fallacies is horrible.

What they make has 0 affect on what you can earn or anyone else can earn.
Once more you miss the point.

Good you find it unappealing that is irrelevant. I am a hard working middle class American and I try to pay as little in tax as possible and get as much back as much of my money as I can.
You're not trying to earn my vote. :shrug:

Again, you are missing the point.

It makes sense that the left as to continue their class warfare. what is sad is that people buy it without understanding it.
Given how little you've understood things in this discussion and many others you and I have had, you probably ought to refrain from making comments like this.

How is the law being exploited? It seems to be a fair law in some ways, at least. Naturally if you take a billion dollar loss it would probably give you tax breaks for years. Why not? If it were my money I'd certainly want to take it after a year where I lost that much.
IF Trump lost that much, and there's many ways to claim a loss where you don't have actual real losses, it wouldn't change the fact Trump has obviously led quite a luxurious lifestyle in the meantime.

And if Trump truly is very close to financial ruin, then it essentially undermines his only real claim to qualification for President. That's the point. IF Donald Trump has paid no federal taxes for nearly 20 years (and it's still an if at this point), then either he's a very wealthy man who takes advantage of tax laws which benefit the wealthy or he's not nearly as good of a businessman as he claims.

Yes, we haven't seen Trump's tax returns. We won't until his audit is finished. Why complain about it? It is what it is.
If the audit were to be finished tomorrow, I have my doubts we'd see his tax returns before the election. It's already been well established there's nothing about a tax audit which prevents him from releasing his returns. Him not releasing his returns is not about the audit.
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Actually its called denial. The Hillary Lemmings are almost over the cliff on this one. :lamo
Your comment doesn't even make sense.
 
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Interesting - posting Trump's words and his proposals affecting Wall Street is 'derp, derp?' I guess it's true in a way - nothing he says makes any sense - but do you know of any proposal from Trump that would hurt the bankers? He's promised to eliminate estate taxes and take all business taxes to below what hedge fund managers pay today.

Admittedly, Trump has probably taken both sides of every issue, and on issues where he doesn't switch on a weekly basis one proposal will directly conflict with others in such a way that the plan as a whole is laughably impossible, but even given that I don't see why anyone worried about Wall Street should trust Trump on the issue unless we should trust his vague words backed by nothing and completely ignore his actual proposals, to the extent he's bothered making them.




So you are saying you support the one you KNOW is in the pockets of foreign nationals and big bankers over the guy who is running on the opposite platform......
 
How embarrassing for you. I was explaining to those hard of understanding why the tax issue was brought up against Trump, and you respond with a stupid non sequitur that heroically missed the point.


:lol: okie dokie
 
Actually, that isn't true, Rev. It wasn't a creation of Clinton's nor MSNBC, although they would probably both like to take credit for it. The term has been around for a while, and conservatives have used it since before she was the nominee.

As a slur?
 
1. The concern is A) he pays no taxes, even if legitimately (if we have a President that is not a taxpayer, shouldn't the people know this)*; B) he is takes negligible charitable contributions, even though he claims to be charitable; C) he receives financing from and has business interests from international interests that would be of interest to the voter; D) his interests should be understood, particularly since he will not put his business in a trust once elected.

Hmm maybe is liberals were consistent in their arguments it might have an impact.
I could careless about his taxes. His charity actually does a lot more than clintons.
Clintons have a record of collecting and giving favors to big donors to their charity.
Yes clintons interests should be understood. They are one of the most corrupt politicians out there.

2. This so called audit is a flimsy reason not to release the return. There is nothing about an audit that prohibits you from this disclosure. if there really is an audit, lets see the audit letter. I doubt he ever withheld a return that was asked for by a bank because it was under audit.... Audits are a natural thing. Business does not come to a halt because someone's return is under audit.

Actually there is. Once the IRS clears his tax returns he Clinton news media can't make up nonsense about them.

3. He could release returns from 2010 or 2011 or other years that would not be covered by the audit.
He could but it is his choice.

Sorry pal, but you are drinking the Trump Kool-aid. There is zero reason not to release the return other than the obvious: the heat from not disclosing the return is less than the heat he would get if people actually had a look at them (translated: he is hiding something).

Yes the Clinton kook aid drinker. Actually I could careless about his tax returns.
To me it is a non-issue but a great distraction argument to try and take attention away
From Clinton and all her issues.

* - every return that is out there tells us Trump pays no FIT. Accordingly, it would be fair for the electorate to assume he is not a taxpayer.

This is a lie. He pays taxes maybe not at lot of federal income tax but them again I try to pay the least amount of taxes as well.
 
So you are saying you support the one you KNOW is in the pockets of foreign nationals and big bankers over the guy who is running on the opposite platform......

But the point is he's not running on the opposite platform. The quotes were about his platform with regard to banks and you disregarded them because they show he's on their side. I asked a question - do you know of any proposal that would hurt the bankers, and my guess is the answer is no, because I've never seen one either. So given his concrete proposals, versus a few throwaway lines that contradict them and are completely vague and self serving, I'll go with his proposals.

The really funny one is his promise to end the hedge fund loophole. Sure, he'll end it because it's no longer needed and EVERY business will pay the same rate as hedge fund managers and they'll all pay substantially less per year than hedge fund managers pay today! So he'll hit the hedge funds hard by LOWERING THEIR TAX RATES! Oh my. He is on the side of the people!! :roll:
 
I'm only 73,but I plan on sticking around until I'm 117 so that I can see the GOP reduced to a minor,regional, party by massive demographic change.

Do the math,will you still be here then?

BTW: One of my great-grandmothers made it to 105 so I have something to base my plans on.

:lol:



"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.

You probably do not need to hang on to 117 for that.... you will probably see that before you are 75
 
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