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CNN Propagandizing Heavily Against Guns Today

 
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Casca XV said:
Cable itself will be dead within 5 years and everyone will subscribe to individual channels like we do Netflix now. Fox has enough of an audience to prosper. CNN and MSNBC without being sold in a bundle will die out.

While young and stupid everyone is Progressive/Liberal. As we get old and wise the only people who stay that way are the truly stupid or dishonest ideologues. That is why FOX will always have an audience.

We have a bad economy because of the policies of Obama. Which ironically are the same type of policies that caused the 2008 Crash. Reagan came into office with an even worse economy but his policies created the greatest period of prosperity in US History
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I was with you to the last statement... First, our economy right now is pretty good, except for issues relating with wealth/income disparity, which we have wrestled with since the Reagan administration.... Second, Reagan gets far too much credit for the economic expansion in the 1980's..... we had a massive technology revolution, which accelerated with the advent of the personal computer (a technology revolution, which we are still in, but had its real strength from 1980-2000). The technology revolution is also a contributor (not the cause, but an aggrevating factor) to our wealth/income disparity issues. But, go ahead, and tell us the specific bad policies of the Obama Administration and how these policies resulted in your so-called bad economy.

Presidents get far too much credit and blame for economic outcomes during their administrations. The reality is there is usually a lag (of about two years) of the effect of a government policy on the economy. In general, Presidents can make minor corrections to the economic engine (though they can change a trajectory), but its the private economic engine that actually drives the economy. Usually stimuluses in recession CAN be an exception, as the government, because of its sure size (and ability to take risk) can jump start a struggling economy; but most other things are tweeks (though some have long-term ramifications)
 
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you're going to get trolled hard, OP, for pointing out the simple reality that the vast majority of gun crime in the US, and violent crime in general, is committed by blacks.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

but that's the reality. you can deny it, you can sugar coat it, you can scream racist/bigot and bleat all you want, but that is the reality.
 
countryboy said:
I you seriously expect me to wade through pages of biased articles? Please just post the relevant data, and exactly how it was collected.
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You asked me to support the assertion. I did with multiple sources including an actually demographic profile. If you chose not to read one or all of them, that is your prerogative, but I have answered your challenge. They are not biased articles. That is also why I posted many. To make such a claim, it is now incumbent upon you to support such a claim. Alternatively, show us an article or two that refutes the claim by perhaps showing us that Fox has a higher proportion of younger, black and hispanic viewers than is the population. Safe yourself the exercise, you can't and you know it.

The proposition stands: ".....While FOX does love the elderly, uneducated white people..." Anyone else that has followed this subthread sees that, even if you do not.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Hunting. Fun. Profit, if your good at shooting.

Defending your country.

Hmm. That's four things I could think of right off the top of my head.
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But you left out the most common use.....killing yourself. They are excellent for suicide and the numbers confirm it. More guns = more deaths by suicide.

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upsideguy said:
You asked me to support the assertion. I did with multiple sources. If you chose not to read one or all of them, that is your prerogative, but I have answered your challenge. Anyone else that has followed this subthread will certainly see that.
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That is yet to be confirmed.
 
Its no wonder the black community complains so much about the prison industrial complex - they commit the most crimes.
 
iguanaman said:
But you left out the most common use.....killing yourself. They are excellent for suicide and the numbers confirm it. More guns = more deaths by suicide.
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Yet, suicide is being accepted as an end of life method in more and more places.

So.......what's the problem?
 
TobyOne said:
Its no wonder the black community complains so much about the prison industrial complex - they commit the most crimes.
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This is true, although we should always keep in mind that most blacks are law-abiding citizens.

A small sub-culture (mostly poor) among them commits a huge amount of crime.
 
iguanaman said:
But you left out the most common use.....killing yourself. They are excellent for suicide and the numbers confirm it. More guns = more deaths by suicide.

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People would commit suicide even if there were zero civilians with guns.......

I'd argue seeing as there are more gun owners then gun owners/others who committed suicide via gun that it's not the "most common use".
 
Casca XV said:
Cable itself will be dead within 5 years and everyone will subscribe to individual channels like we do Netflix now. Fox has enough of an audience to prosper. CNN and MSNBC without being sold in a bundle will die out.

While young and stupid everyone is Progressive/Liberal. As we get old and wise the only people who stay that way are the truly stupid or dishonest ideologues. That is why FOX will always have an audience.

We have a bad economy because of the policies of Obama. Which ironically are the same type of policies that caused the 2008 Crash. Reagan came into office with an even worse economy but his policies created the greatest period of prosperity in US History
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If CNN goes the way of print media, so will Fox, and for the same reason: New technology. Already, a lot of people get most of their news from the internet.

The problem with the internet is the same as the problem with cable news: It's too easy to simply find the sites that confirm our biases rather than that actually give unbiased facts. Confirmation bias could set our partisanship in stone.
 
iguanaman said:
But you left out the most common use.....killing yourself. They are excellent for suicide and the numbers confirm it. More guns = more deaths by suicide.

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:lamo

Suicide?Again? Really?

FFS...how many times does it need to be shown that suicide rates are just as high and in fact HIGHER in countries that DO NOT have access to firearms? Sweet baby geeeeezus...how tragic.
 
Dittohead not! said:
If CNN goes the way of print media, so will Fox, and for the same reason: New technology. Already, a lot of people get most of their news from the internet.

The problem with the internet is the same as the problem with cable news: It's too easy to simply find the sites that confirm our biases rather than that actually give unbiased facts. Confirmation bias could set our partisanship in stone.
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You are right. A lot of people gravitate to news sources that confirm their personal biases.

A lot of people assume that secret to FOX success is that they are right wing and that is part of it. But the biggest reason is that they tell both sides of the story. Even on shows like Hannity there are Liberals on who get to tell their version of the story. When I switch over to CNN or MSNBC I'm not surprised by anything they say because I have already heard it on FOX. That is why it has a large and loyal enough audience to survive as a subscription internet TV station.

CNN and MSNBC only tell half story and they have become the left wing version of Info Wars. Ironically that is the only way they can survive on the Net is as a free podcast that puts videos on Youtube.
 
Tigerace117 said:
People would commit suicide even if there were zero civilians with guns.......

I'd argue seeing as there are more gun owners then gun owners/others who committed suicide via gun that it's not the "most common use".
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Every Scandinavian country has all the gun laws Democrats want for the US and every Scandinavian country has a higher per capita suicide than the US, Oh and they also had the largest mass shooting in history.
 
Casca XV said:
Every Scandinavian country has all the gun laws Democrats want for the US and every Scandinavian country has a higher per capita suicide than the US, Oh and they also had the largest mass shooting in history.
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Hell, Australia and Japan have virtual gun BANS and they have higher suicide rates than we do.
 
VanceMack said:
Hell, Australia and Japan have virtual gun BANS and they have higher suicide rates than we do.
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That's a lie. In Australia, more than 90% of those who had guns before their gun control laws subsequently had guns afterwards.
 
Absentglare said:
That's a lie. In Australia, more than 90% of those who had guns before their gun control laws subsequently had guns afterwards.
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"The National Agreement on Firearms all but prohibited automatic and semiautomatic assault rifles, stiffened licensing and ownership rules, and instituted a temporary gun buyback program that took some 650,000 assault weapons (about one-sixth of the national stock) out of public circulation. Among other things, the law also required licensees to demonstrate a "genuine need" for a particular type of gun and take a firearm safety course. After another high-profile shooting in Melbourne in 2002, Australia's handgun laws were tightened as well."

And what is Australia's suicide rate? What is the cause of suicide?
uicide is much more common among males than females. The male suicide rate was higher in every state and territory of Australia; a trend that is also consistently observed in other Western countries.
The ratio of male to female suicides rose from 2:1 in the 1960s to over 4:1 in the 1990s. Throughout the early 2000s, the ratio of male to female suicides has been somewhat below 4:1, and stood at 3:1 in 2014.
In 2014, 58.7% of male suicide deaths were by hanging, followed by 10.5% due to poisoning by drugs, 8.0% due to firearms, and 7.3% due to poisoning by other agents.
In 2014, hanging was the most common method of suicide used by females, constituting 48.7% of all female suicide deaths. The second most common cause of suicide death was poisoning by drugs (30.4% of suicide deaths).
In 2014, suicide represented 2.8% of all male deaths and 0.9% of all female deaths.
Suicide rates for men born outside Australia are slightly lower than for Australian-born men, whereas corresponding rates for women are very similar.
- See more at: Mindframe

So chill...close your eyes and enjoy another corndog. That always seems to calm you down. In your zeal to shriek 'lie' you merely reinforced my point.
 
VanceMack said:
"The National Agreement on Firearms all but prohibited automatic and semiautomatic assault rifles, stiffened licensing and ownership rules, and instituted a temporary gun buyback program that took some 650,000 assault weapons (about one-sixth of the national stock) out of public circulation. Among other things, the law also required licensees to demonstrate a "genuine need" for a particular type of gun and take a firearm safety course. After another high-profile shooting in Melbourne in 2002, Australia's handgun laws were tightened as well."

And what is Australia's suicide rate? What is the cause of suicide?
uicide is much more common among males than females. The male suicide rate was higher in every state and territory of Australia; a trend that is also consistently observed in other Western countries.
The ratio of male to female suicides rose from 2:1 in the 1960s to over 4:1 in the 1990s. Throughout the early 2000s, the ratio of male to female suicides has been somewhat below 4:1, and stood at 3:1 in 2014.
In 2014, 58.7% of male suicide deaths were by hanging, followed by 10.5% due to poisoning by drugs, 8.0% due to firearms, and 7.3% due to poisoning by other agents.
In 2014, hanging was the most common method of suicide used by females, constituting 48.7% of all female suicide deaths. The second most common cause of suicide death was poisoning by drugs (30.4% of suicide deaths).
In 2014, suicide represented 2.8% of all male deaths and 0.9% of all female deaths.
Suicide rates for men born outside Australia are slightly lower than for Australian-born men, whereas corresponding rates for women are very similar.
- See more at: Mindframe

So chill...close your eyes and enjoy another corndog. That always seems to calm you down. In your zeal to shriek 'lie' you merely reinforced my point.
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"Virtual gun BANS" is an actual falsehood.

Thanks for clarifying that guns are not BANNED in Australia.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

Suicide?Again? Really?

FFS...how many times does it need to be shown that suicide rates are just as high and in fact HIGHER in countries that DO NOT have access to firearms? Sweet baby geeeeezus...how tragic.
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Except this is the USA and States with less guns have less suicides.The data does not lie and ownership of a gun increases your risk of suicide in the family.

"Given that suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the U.S., and firearm-related deaths and injuries are extraordinarily costly, reducing firearm-related self-injury and suicide is a public health imperative," said co-author Emily Rothman.

Gun ownership was a significant predictor of male firearm suicide rates. In fact, firearm suicides among men increased by 3.3 per 100,000 for each 10 percent uptick in gun ownership. Firearm suicides among women increased 0.5 per 100,000 for every 10 percent jump in gun ownership. Owning a gun also led to higher rates of suicide by any means among men but not women.

"Reductions in the prevalence of firearms may be an effective strategy for reducing overall and firearm-related suicides among males and for reducing firearm-related suicides among females,” the research team added.
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States With More Gun Owners Also Have Higher Suicide Rates, Study Finds
 
Absentglare said:
"Virtual gun BANS" is an actual falsehood.

Thanks for clarifying that guns are not BANNED in Australia.
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ANd thanks for pointing out that with an obvious abundance of machine guns and assault rifles in every household in Australia, they still have a higher suicide rate that the US and firearms are NOT the cause.
 
iguanaman said:
Except this is the USA and States with less guns have less suicides.The data does not lie and ownership of a gun increases your risk of suicide in the family.

States With More Gun Owners Also Have Higher Suicide Rates, Study Finds
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As AG just so very clearly pointed out...Australia is polluted with firearms, has a higher suicide rate than the US, and firearms are not a factor. Your repeated use of the 'suicide' argument is foolish. And I have no doubt you will try to pull it out again the next time the topic comes up.
 
VanceMack said:
As AG just so very clearly pointed out...Australia is polluted with firearms, has a higher suicide rate than the US, and firearms are not a factor. Your repeated use of the 'suicide' argument is foolish. And I have no doubt you will try to pull it out again the next time the topic comes up.
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Truth.

Amen.
 
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