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MSNBC is Sick

Andalublue said:
Caucasians of European extraction?
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So only Caucasians of European extraction make the laws in Mississippi? Gee, I didn't know that. You need to inform Mr. Invisible and Wiggin of that fact.
 
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Neal N. Bloeme said:
I see your point. To me, "economic justice" means opportunity for everyone with no "favor" for any special interest group. What does it mean to you?
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Me too, but some people, such as he in the link, believe it to be code, a dog whistle if you like, for communism and Nazism. Not all political discourse is suffused with such coded inferences, but I'm pointing out that both left- and right-wing organisers, strategists and commentators recognise that the existence and use of political dog-whistles is undeniable.

In the case of Glenn Beck, a dog-whistle that invokes communism and Nazism simultaneously is clearly a concept as nuts as he is.
 
Neal N. Bloeme said:
So only Caucasians of European extraction make the laws in Mississippi? Gee, I didn't know that. You need to inform Mr. Invisible and Wiggin of that fact.
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You're very quick to put words in other people's mouths. Now, I don't know a lot about redneck culture, so educate me, are there a lot of non-white rednecks?
 
Andalublue said:
Me too, but some people, such as he in the link, believe it to be code, a dog whistle if you like, for communism and Nazism. Not all political discourse is suffused with such coded inferences, but I'm pointing out that both left- and right-wing organisers, strategists and commentators recognise that the existence and use of political dog-whistles is undeniable.

In the case of Glenn Beck, a dog-whistle that invokes communism and Nazism simultaneously is clearly a concept as nuts as he is.
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I don't listen to Glenn Beck. I do listen to the President and when he speaks of "economic justice", he means redistribution in my opinion. This President is not for "economic justice". In my opinion, this President is an example of who I was speaking of. This President has more regulations than any President in our history. That is not "economic justice" in my opinion.
 
Andalublue said:
You're very quick to put words in other people's mouths. Now, I don't know a lot about redneck culture, so educate me, are there a lot of non-white rednecks?
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I am not the poster who used the term "redneck". Go back and review the thread so you can follow the discussion. That way you will know what's going on.
 
Neal N. Bloeme said:
I don't listen to Glenn Beck. I do listen to the President and when he speaks of "economic justice", he means redistribution in my opinion. This President is not for "economic justice".
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Well, quite a lot of us believe that without redistribution there can be very little economic justice. Justice is not served by 1% of the global population owning 40% or all assets.
 
Neal N. Bloeme said:
I am not the poster who used the term "redneck". Go back and review the thread so you can follow the discussion. That way you will know what's going on.
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You were the one asking of Mississippi rednecks, "What are they?" Are you debating or trolling?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I do always find it funny when white people say how great everything was in the 1950s and such. Most of the people who say it don't even stop to think about how much is wrong with that statement by itself.

Anyway, it could be coded. It could not be coded. I don't know. Santorum is still an idiot. And I don't think this makes MSNBC "sick".
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Every era has its problems. We are dealing with a different set today. When we look back at the good ole days we are longing for the good parts not the bad. It's a fantasy but I see nothing wrong with longing for a simpler time just realizing we have to wipe out a few bad parts.
 
Andalublue said:
Well, quite a lot of us believe that without redistribution there can be very little economic justice. Justice is not served by 1% of the global population owning 40% or all assets.
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So you believe in socialism?
 
Andalublue said:
You were the one asking of Mississippi rednecks, "What are they?" Are you debating or trolling?
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Take your argument to Wiggins because he is the one who first used the term. Your tactic here is very weak. If this is the road you wish to go down, you're gonna be upset when you run into a brick wall.
 
Andalublue said:
I'm a libertarian socialist, an anarchist if you like. There are quite a few socialists here at DP, and one or two of an anarchistic bent too.
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So "economic justice" is code for Socialism?
 
Removable Mind said:
Yeah, too much was made out of it.

The funny part...Newt, would his policies have produced a better result...had he been president voted in in Nov 2008? I completely think not.

Here's something I read by an ex-republican chief of staff for a capitol hill member...and an ex-VP for the nation's largest real estate lobbyists organization.



I have to agree with his assessment and comments regarding Newt.
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Don't get me wrong. In defending the statement's meaning I'm not defending it's veracity. I'm no Newt fan, to be sure.
 
Wiggen said:
That was when the Republicans actually allowed moderates in their party. After 1965, the South became solidly Republican and many southern democrats switched parties. Thank God.
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Prior to 1965 segregation was the #1 political issue in the south and that's why they were democrats. After 1965 when segregation was abolished and civil rights became law, race issues being the top political priority came to an end. Over the following 8 or 10 years, it became clear to even the most hard core segregationists that the days of segregation were over and never coming back.

With the race issue out of the way politically, the people of the south made issues like religion, abortion, family values, etc, the basis for their political support, and that's why the people of the south switched to the republican party. Anyone who claims that the south votes republican today for the same reason they voted democrat 50+ years ago is either a partisan liar, or simply a gullible fool who bought into liberal propaganda.
 
Neal N. Bloeme said:
So "economic justice" is code for Socialism?
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I'm happy to discuss the topic of political dog whistles, but if you repeatedly put words in my mouth that I have not said or even inferred then we'll get nowhere and I'll stick to debating with everyone else. This is the third time you've done it in this one thread.

Glenn Beck said that 'economic justice' is code for communism and Nazism. The fact that I believe that using political dog whistles does take place and that both sides recognise this does not mean that every time someone says that such-and-such a term is code for something else, it really is. Beck is a vile and cynical hack, but even he recognises the existence of the phenomenon. Don't you?

BTW, we are not debating whether economic justice requires a socialist state. Obama's use of 'economic justice', given that he isn't a socialist and promotes capitalism, seems likely to mean something woolly and liberal. I haven't really noticed too much wealth redistribution going on under him.
 
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Neal N. Bloeme said:
Your last comment is inflammatory and racist. Did you change your mind about wanting to discuss the complexion of my skin?
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No, it isn't. And why would I give a rats ass about the complexion of your skin?
 
Grim17 said:
Prior to 1965 segregation was the #1 political issue in the south and that's why they were democrats. After 1965 when segregation was abolished and civil rights became law, race issues being the top political priority came to an end. Over the following 8 or 10 years, it became clear to even the most hard core segregationists that the days of segregation were over and never coming back.

With the race issue out of the way politically, the people of the south made issues like religion, abortion, family values, etc, the basis for their political support, and that's why the people of the south switched to the republican party. Anyone who claims that the south votes republican today for the same reason they voted democrat 50+ years ago is either a partisan liar, or simply a gullible fool who bought into liberal propaganda.
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Excellent post. The baby boomers had reached voting age after 1965 and that also contributed, in my opinion. Different generation.
 
Grim17 said:
Prior to 1965 segregation was the #1 political issue in the south and that's why they were democrats. After 1965 when segregation was abolished and civil rights became law, race issues being the top political priority came to an end. Over the following 8 or 10 years, it became clear to even the most hard core segregationists that the days of segregation were over and never coming back.

With the race issue out of the way politically, the people of the south made issues like religion, abortion, family values, etc, the basis for their political support, and that's why the people of the south switched to the republican party. Anyone who claims that the south votes republican today for the same reason they voted democrat 50+ years ago is either a partisan liar, or simply a gullible fool who bought into liberal propaganda.
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I think we all know about Lee Atwater and the Republican strategy to capture the 'Negrophobe (his word) vote. It has been spectacularly successful so far, although my guess is demographics will eventually catch up to the racists. Keep those confederate flags flying, however, just in case any of us are in doubt.
 
Wiggen said:
I think we all know about Lee Atwater and the Republican strategy to capture the 'Negrophobe (his word) vote. It has been spectacularly successful so far, although my guess is demographics will eventually catch up to the racists. Keep those confederate flags flying, however, just in case any of us are in doubt.
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That's some funny stuff.
 
No, there was nothing funny about the southern stategy. Cynical and racist, but not funny.
 
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