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The New Definition of Atheism

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About this definition of Atheism that desperate atheists are trying to peddle - you do know how ridiculous it is to encroach on agnosticism - claiming to be both!

But there are some who think they got the smart answer: they cite that atheism is simply "lack of belief."
Now, that, is truly laughable!


Why? here:











You folks go through all these complicated explanations getting yourselves twisted like pretzels......:lamo


...............................if you don't believe God exists - why don't you just simply own it? :mrgreen:
 
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Why does theism get to be based on beliefs but atheism as a lack of belief is wrong? Both are simply human viewpoints on the concepts of deities.
 
Airyaman said:
Why does theism get to be based on beliefs but atheism as a lack of belief is wrong? Both are simply human viewpoints on the concepts of deities.
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You didn't watch the video, did you?

IT'S NOT A VIEWPOINT!

Watch it.
 
tosca1 said:
You didn't watch the video, did you?

IT'S NOT A VIEWPOINT!

Watch it.
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Yes, I watched the video. Craig's "arguments" over the years never held water with me.

Gods do not exist outside of the beliefs of humans. Therefore it is completely true that atheism can be defined as a lack of belief. I could easily say "there are no gods" because it is basically the same thing.
 
tosca1 said:
You didn't watch the video, did you?

IT'S NOT A VIEWPOINT!

Watch it.
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Having a viewpoint (point of view) is simply another way of describing a (personally held) opinion or belief. One either believes that unicorns, mermaids or gods exist or they do not.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Having a viewpoint (point of view) is simply another way of describing a (personally held) opinion or belief. One either believes that unicorns, mermaids or gods exist or they do not.
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I was once married to a mermaid who divorced me to marry God. She had a pet unicorn. A belief w/o supporting fact like any other. She was a bit loony so I'm not sure of the god part. I think it was just an excuse to make me feel like I had no chance of winning her back against such competition.
 
Airyaman said:
Why does theism get to be based on beliefs but atheism as a lack of belief is wrong? Both are simply human viewpoints on the concepts of deities.
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What is the difference in not believing that God exists and believing that God does not exist?
 
bluesmoke said:
I was once married to a mermaid who divorced me to marry God. She had a pet unicorn. A belief w/o supporting fact like any other. She was a bit loony so I'm not sure of the god part. I think it was just an excuse to make me feel like I had no chance of winning her back against such competition.
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I can understand her motivation. ;)
 
tosca1 said:
But there are some who think they got the smart answer: they cite that atheism is simply "lack of belief."
Now, that, is truly laughable!
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Why is it laughable? The guy in the video describes one perfectly valid definition of the word atheism. As he rightly points out, it doesn't define a specific viewpoint, it only describes a singular characteristics of a person. What he (and you) fails to do is explain what is wrong with having words that describe individual characteristics? You know, like the word theism.

The is also the question of whether God (or any other gods, which he ignores) actually exist but how is that purpose legitimately aided by just lumping vast swathes of humanity with generic and imperfect labels?
 
tosca1 said:
About this definition of Atheism that desperate atheists are trying to peddle - you do know how ridiculous it is to encroach on agnosticism - claiming to be both!

But there are some who think they got the smart answer: they cite that atheism is simply "lack of belief."
Now, that, is truly laughable!


Why? here:



You folks go through all these complicated explanations getting yourselves twisted like pretzels......:lamo


...............................if you don't believe God exists - why don't you just simply own it? :mrgreen:
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Why is it that Christians who feel the need to attack atheism constantly use these kinds of strawmen and childish attacks?

Here's a suggestion for you: If you don't want your religion to look like a fake, stop acting like it. You're the only evidence we've got.
 
The word atheism breaks down into "no god." The dictionary definition says the same. Why don't we stick to that?
 
Phys251 said:
Why is it that Christians who feel the need to attack atheism constantly use these kinds of strawmen and childish attacks?

Here's a suggestion for you: If you don't want your religion to look like a fake, stop acting like it. You're the only evidence we've got.
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Because that's the only arguments up their sleeve.
 
swing_voter said:
The word atheism breaks down into "no god." The dictionary definition says the same. Why don't we stick to that?
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Because the dictionary occasionally gets it wrong. For example, some dictionaries still describe the siphon effect as being caused by air pressure, not gravity.
 
tosca1 said:
If you don't believe God exists - why don't you just simply own it?
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"The wit of Dr Craig" is largely meaningless, he is doing just as much word tap-dancing as he accuses his opposition of doing. The definitions of theism, atheism and agnosticism have context applied to use, just as hundreds of thousands of other words to across the English language have the same pattern.

It is unlikely that there are many atheists that do not "own" their position that God or Gods do not exist, just as it is unlikely there are many theist that do not own their position that God or Gods do exist.

What is laughable is the lengths some will go to all the while ignoring the entire point of theists and atheist being flip sides of the same declaration coin. And speaking of that is the whole point as to why there is such a thing as agnosticism.

No one is twisted in a pretzel, the underline meanings of these terms are unchanged (and remains so despite Dr Craig's best efforts to belittle... just as you do.)
 
code1211 said:
What is the difference in not believing that God exists and believing that God does not exist?
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One is positive statement, but one that cannot be proven (aka, to prove a negative).
 
code1211 said:
What is the difference in not believing that God exists and believing that God does not exist?
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I merely ask believers for proof of their particular flavour of god. Thousands of years have passed and not a shred of proof has been forthcoming. That is not a belief, it is a fact.
 
Airyaman said:
Yes, I watched the video. Craig's "arguments" over the years never held water with me.

Gods do not exist outside of the beliefs of humans. Therefore it is completely true that atheism can be defined as a lack of belief. I could easily say "there are no gods" because it is basically the same thing.
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We're not talking about Craig's arguments over the years. We're talking about this particular issue.

No.....you don't get why it's not a viewpoint! He explained it. It's so simple. Watch it again.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Having a viewpoint (point of view) is simply another way of describing a (personally held) opinion or belief. One either believes that unicorns, mermaids or gods exist or they do not.
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HonestJoe said:
Why is it laughable? The guy in the video describes one perfectly valid definition of the word atheism. As he rightly points out, it doesn't define a specific viewpoint, it only describes a singular characteristics of a person. What he (and you) fails to do is explain what is wrong with having words that describe individual characteristics? You know, like the word theism.

The is also the question of whether God (or any other gods, which he ignores) actually exist but how is that purpose legitimately aided by just lumping vast swathes of humanity with generic and imperfect labels?
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OrphanSlug said:
"The wit of Dr Craig" is largely meaningless, he is doing just as much word tap-dancing as he accuses his opposition of doing. The definitions of theism, atheism and agnosticism have context applied to use, just as hundreds of thousands of other words to across the English language have the same pattern.

It is unlikely that there are many atheists that do not "own" their position that God or Gods do not exist, just as it is unlikely there are many theist that do not own their position that God or Gods do exist.

What is laughable is the lengths some will go to all the while ignoring the entire point of theists and atheist being flip sides of the same declaration coin. And speaking of that is the whole point as to why there is such a thing as agnosticism.
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But to say atheism is lack of belief, is not a point of view! It's an irrational opinion! Lol. It's like............... belief is just simply void!

As an example, infants have lack of belief......but we don't say they're therefore, atheists! :lol:
It also means, the atheist is comparable to a........puppy! The puppy lacks belief!

You get now why it is laughable?




No one is twisted in a pretzel, the underline meanings of these terms are unchanged (and remains so despite Dr Craig's best efforts to belittle... just as you do.)
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Then.....you haven't seen some of the posts here from atheists who try to explain away their position as atheists! :shrug:

Funny.....here I thought it's atheists - especially the new atheists - who have done a lot of belittling and mocking - until they encountered rational pushback from theists!

When they can't respond to the obvious question, "if you don't agree with science - on what authority do you base your atheistic belief? - which, of course, they can't answer - that's when they start going through all the tap dancing! :lol:
 
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Phys251 said:
Why is it that Christians who feel the need to attack atheism constantly use these kinds of strawmen and childish attacks?

Here's a suggestion for you: If you don't want your religion to look like a fake, stop acting like it. You're the only evidence we've got.
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:roll:

It is an issue. Most atheists on this forum can't just simply say they don't believe God exists.
 
tosca1 said:
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It is an issue. Most atheists on this forum can't just simply say they don't believe God exists.
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Simply not true. Atheists repeatedly state that since there is not an iota of real and objective evidence for “God”, then the LOGICAL assumption is that no such entity exists. Please pay better attention in the future.
 
tosca1 said:
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It is an issue. Most atheists on this forum can't just simply say they don't believe God exists.
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Define "atheism."
 
tosca1 said:
About this definition of Atheism that desperate atheists are trying to peddle - you do know how ridiculous it is to encroach on agnosticism - claiming to be both!

But there are some who think they got the smart answer: they cite that atheism is simply "lack of belief."
Now, that, is truly laughable!


Why? here:











You folks go through all these complicated explanations getting yourselves twisted like pretzels......:lamo


...............................if you don't believe God exists - why don't you just simply own it? :mrgreen:
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The fool in the video makes a classic mistake. Atheism is a product of reasoning. No on is born with reasons already in their head. Atheism is learnt not inherent. It is wrong to say we are all born atheists. Instead it should be said we are all born as ignostic. Meaning we are all born without knowledge of a god.
 
tosca1 said:
We're not talking about Craig's arguments over the years. We're talking about this particular issue.

No.....you don't get why it's not a viewpoint! He explained it. It's so simple. Watch it again.
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Unicorns do not exist.

I don't believe in unicorns.

What is the real difference in these statements?
 
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