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the rumour, that before the year 1965 all Catholic church services were in Latin only

Rumpel said:
Somehow funny that nobody understands this simple question.

What is a "Latin Mass" - the way you or your parents etc experienced it?

Is it 100 % in Latin - is it 50 % in Latin - or does it contain just a few lines in Latin?
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Or somehow funny there is another reason...nobody cares...:roll:
 
Rumpel said:
@ the rumour, that before the year 1965 all Catholic church services were completely in Latin.
100 percent!

COMPLETELY!

Who has heard this rumour and believed it?

There must be some mis-understandings.
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I haven't been in a Catholic Church except maybe Notre Dame 50 years ago. Never for a sermon.

Why should I care?
 
jimbo said:
I haven't been in a Catholic Church except maybe Notre Dame 50 years ago.
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As it happens, I have been to Notre Dame on the 10th of March this year.
 
Religion is one of my interests.
Languages are one of my interests.
Being interested in languages is not "ridiculous."
I think it is ridiculous to call that interest "ridiculous".
 
Rumpel said:
@ the rumour, that before the year 1965 all Catholic church services were completely in Latin.
100 percent!

COMPLETELY!

Who has heard this rumour and believed it?

There must be some mis-understandings.
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i have heard it but the sates are fluctuated
 
Rumpel said:
Religion is one of my interests.
Languages are one of my interests.
Being interested in languages is not "ridiculous."
I think it is ridiculous to call that interest "ridiculous".
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I agree, Post away rumpel!
 
Rumpel said:
@ the rumour, that before the year 1965 all Catholic church services were completely in Latin.
100 percent!

COMPLETELY!

Who has heard this rumour and believed it?

There must be some mis-understandings.
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What rumor?
They WERE in Latin...I remember going to church services in Latin as a child.
Quit spamming the forum with garbage threads.
 
TomFitz said:
Rumor? What rumor?

Who told you it was a rumor?

From the Council of Trent, all the way up to Vatican II, the law was that the Mass be said in Latin.

I still remember the responses.
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"DOMINUS VOBISCUM"

"et cum spirituo tuo"

"PER OMNIA SAECULA SAECULORUM"
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
What rumor?
They WERE in Latin...I remember going to church services in Latin as a child.
Quit spamming the forum with garbage threads.
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From your fingers to Rumpel's eyes...:2razz:
 
Who can answer this question:

How much Latin is in a Latin Mass?

That's what this thread is all about.
 
How much Latin is in a "Latin Mass"?
 
Cordelier said:
The Traditional Tridentine Mass was pretty much all Latin. The only vernacular used would be the readings.
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If so - what was the sense in it?
 
Rumpel said:
If so - what was the sense in it?
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*L* That strikes me as a lawyer's question... one for which the questioner already knows the answer.

Obviously, Latin was the common link in every Catholic parish throughout the world. Whether you were attending a mass in the US, England, France, Italy, Spain, Poland, Argentina, or Togo...... wherever you were, if you knew the Latin, then you knew the mass. Not only that, but it was essentially the same mass that was passed down from the origin of the Church. St. Peter himself could have attended the mass and still understood it.
 
Cordelier said:
*L* That strikes me as a lawyer's question... one for which the questioner already knows the answer.

Obviously, Latin was the common link in every Catholic parish throughout the world. Whether you were attending a mass in the US, England, France, Italy, Spain, Poland, Argentina, or Togo...... wherever you were, if you knew the Latin, then you knew the mass. Not only that, but it was essentially the same mass that was passed down from the origin of the Church. St. Peter himself could have attended the mass and still understood it.
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No!

You only explain a part.

It makes sense, if the Mass is partly in Latin.

But if the whole of the Mass was in Latin, that it would be nonsense.
 
Rumpel said:
No!

You only explain a part.

It makes sense, if the Mass is partly in Latin.

But if the whole of the Mass was in Latin, that it would be nonsense.
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I can see both sides, Rumpel. I remember watching Pope John Paul II's funeral and being struck at how the whole world was gathered in mourning this great man. Europe, Asia, the Americas and Africa - we all came together in unity with a common feeling. It's a rarity in today's world that you can feel yourself as part of a greater whole - usually, we all just find ourselves on one side or another. But I also remembered the last time I felt that way - it was back at that Latin mass I attended in Paris on Easter Sunday of 1987. There I was listening to the same words that were uttered from the beginning of the church, all through the generations, all over the world. I felt a connection that was hard to explain, but it was real and tangible. A global community of mankind united. I think that's something we've lost in large measure since Vatican II.

Don't get me wrong, I think the post-Vatican II reforms were necessary and long past due... in many ways, they made the church more accessible to more people and allowed it to blossom in ways and places where it didn't before. I just long for some of what we lost in the trade. There's balance that has to be struck between the traditional "top down" church that's one size fits all and the grassroots "bottom up" church that's more responsive to the individual, but at the expense of cohesiveness of the wider whole. I just wonder sometimes if we went too far toward the grassroots in Vatican II and if we've become too dissonant as a result.
 
Cordelier said:
I remember watching Pope John Paul II's funeral and being struck at how the whole world was gathered in mourning this great man. Europe, Asia, the Americas and Africa - we all came together in unity with a common feeling. It's a rarity in today's world that you can feel yourself as part of a greater whole - usually, we all just find ourselves on one side or another. But I also remembered the last time I felt that way - it was back at that Latin mass I attended in Paris on Easter Sunday of 1987. There I was listening to the same words that were uttered from the beginning of the church, all through the generations, all over the world. I felt a connection that was hard to explain, but it was real and tangible. A global community of mankind united. I think that's something we've lost in large measure since Vatican II.
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I am with you all the way!

I was very moved when I heard the CREDO sung in Latin in England once.

And btw - this is not against the new rules of Vatican II
 
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