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Are extraterrestrials like god?

TypicalRussian said:
well thats the answer, you cant make a question on theology and get angry when the question is answered in the root of theology:doh(Bible)
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Right again...
 
Elvira said:
Right again...
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seriously i dont get it- stop dancing around a few questions, its why i made a thread encouraging to get real! no more dancing around the Bible
 
TypicalRussian said:
seriously i dont get it- stop dancing around a few questions, its why i made a thread encouraging to get real! no more dancing around the Bible
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Like old Jim said...people are strange...
 
bongsaway said:
I don't know any folks who worship invisible aliens, do you? I think there are other intelligent life forms in the universe. I wouldn't however call it a replacement for religion unless you take that belief to extremes.
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Plenty of people believe that unseen beings in the heavens exist and have powers beyond the capability of mankind, that (with significant state funding) we can send them messages, and that (with more state funding) we may be able to receive messages from them.

Call it what you will.
 
TypicalRussian said:
well thats the answer, you cant make a question on theology and get angry when the question is answered in the root of theology:doh(Bible)
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Even the Pope believes in evolution and that Genesis is just a story and was never meant to be taken literally . He is right too.:lol: But you knew that ...the is Popes infallible right?
 
iguanaman said:
Even the Pope believes in evolution and that Genesis is just a story. He is right too.:lol: But you knew that ...the is Popes infallible right?
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genesis is ok with evolution
 
TypicalRussian said:
you dont believe anything in the Bible then why answer it, all of the answers are in the Bible about THEOLOGY, why would you ask then?
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Because I had religion pounded into my head for years and now I find it all to be a fairy tale. That's what I think of theology, it might as well be mythology as far as I'm concerned.
 
tosca1 said:
Cite where you got this:

the new testament was written because some folks thought the old testament was too harsh.


Stop playing the slippery eel game. Either you've got something to back you up............ or you're just spouting off nonsense.
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Almost half of the New Testament was written by Paul who was the very first writer of the bible. Depending on which "scholar" you believe, the apostles wrote NONE or the NT. When you look at the OT with all of it's rules and regulations and laws; 613 of them, again depending on who and what you believe, a case can be made that following all of these rules was extremely difficult, if not impossible. It is logical that humanity was eager for a change to these oppressive "laws", some of which involved the extent to which you could beat slaves, when a women could be stoned to death, killing disobedient children, wearing the cloth of two different animals, and on and on. WHY people believed that some "God" out there they couldn't see would pass down such heinous regulations can logically be seen in the cargo cults and the new cult of progressivism/socialism sweeping across America. It is chillingly easy to get humans to believe almost ANYTHING!

To the question of verifying that some thought the OT was too harsh, of course there is no "proof". All we have is logic and reason in the absence of being there. Paul got away with CLAIMING a vision that no one confirmed just like the FBI made CLAIMS not more than 3 years ago that were widely believed by a gullible populace because they WANTED TO. Paul's "Christianity" was far easier than Judaism and he was quite obviously a gifted orator and persuasive, not unlike some of the charlatan politicians we have today.
 
bongsaway said:
Because I had religion pounded into my head for years and now I find it all to be a fairy tale. That's what I think of theology, it might as well be mythology as far as I'm concerned.
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then why talk about it, or atleast question it of you already have your answer made up
 
bongsaway said:
Because I had religion pounded into my head for years and now I find it all to be a fairy tale. That's what I think of theology, it might as well be mythology as far as I'm concerned.
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Sometime in the future the religions of today will be seen as mythology.
 
bongsaway said:
You either believe they exist or you don't, just like god.
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I'm not sure about that. Now, I would agree, if you mean visitors from outer space. But, other intelligent life existing on one of the trillions of places out there where it may seems like a safe bet. Sky Daddy and Earth boi not so much. I would definitely bet against those two.
 
TypicalRussian said:
again how does that contradict Genesis 1
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The Bible is not in agreement with evolution...

The Bible Versus Evolution

To get the issue between creation and evolution in clear focus, we must strip away the fuzzy shroud of dogma carried over from 17th-century religion. Then let us compare, point by point, what the Bible says with what evolutionists teach and see which agrees with established facts.

First, the Bible says that God is the source of life. (Ps. 36:9) Life did not arise and cannot arise spontaneously from lifeless material. This is in complete agreement with scientific laws and experimental tests. The laws of statistics, the law of entropy, calculations from thermodynamics and kinetics all converge on the conclusion that spontaneous generation of life cannot occur. Older reports of spontaneous generation are given no credence since the experiments of Pasteur. In controlled experiments, it just does not happen. Examination of soil from the moon and chemical tests on the surface of Mars verify that life has not arisen on those planets.

Secondly, the Bible says that every living thing brings forth its own kind of offspring. (Genesis 1:11, 21, 24) Neither the evidence from paleontology nor experiments in breeding or mutation have ever been shown to refute this principle. Fossil remains from ancient geologic strata of species that are still alive are identical with present-day forms. Wide diversity within a given kind may appear both in nature and in breeding experiments, but in no case does it ever pass beyond the limits to produce a new kind.

Thirdly, with respect to man the Bible discloses the time of his beginning, about 6,000 years ago. (Plants and animals have been here much longer.) With this date history and archaeology are in close agreement. Claims for older human fossils by evolutionists are subject to dispute and do not disprove the Bible record.
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Evolution, Creation, or Creationism—Which Do You Believe? — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
TypicalRussian said:
then why talk about it, or atleast question it of you already have your answer made up
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I'm doing my best to set people free from the bs they've been taught. Religion certainly doesn't come naturally. There is absolutely no physical proof that a jesus son of god ever existed, zero. Just because I don't practice a religion or believe in a god doesn't mean I'm not informed. I would dare say I know more about religion than most people who profess to be christian.
 
calamity said:
I'm not sure about that. Now, I would agree, if you mean visitors from outer space. But, other intelligent life existing on one of the trillions of places out there where it may seems like a safe bet. Sky Daddy and Earth boi not so much. I would definitely bet against those two.
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For me, with all the other galaxies and solar systems out there it would be foolish to bet that other life doesn't exist. What it/they might be, I have no idea.
 
Paradoxical said:
Almost half of the New Testament was written by Paul who was the very first writer of the bible. Depending on which "scholar" you believe, the apostles wrote NONE or the NT. When you look at the OT with all of it's rules and regulations and laws; 613 of them, again depending on who and what you believe, a case can be made that following all of these rules was extremely difficult, if not impossible. It is logical that humanity was eager for a change to these oppressive "laws", some of which involved the extent to which you could beat slaves, when a women could be stoned to death, killing disobedient children, wearing the cloth of two different animals, and on and on. WHY people believed that some "God" out there they couldn't see would pass down such heinous regulations can logically be seen in the cargo cults and the new cult of progressivism/socialism sweeping across America. It is chillingly easy to get humans to believe almost ANYTHING!

To the question of verifying that some thought the OT was too harsh, of course there is no "proof". All we have is logic and reason in the absence of being there. Paul got away with CLAIMING a vision that no one confirmed just like the FBI made CLAIMS not more than 3 years ago that were widely believed by a gullible populace because they WANTED TO. Paul's "Christianity" was far easier than Judaism and he was quite obviously a gifted orator and persuasive, not unlike some of the charlatan politicians we have today.
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There is no logic to that thought.

Nowhere in the NT does it in any way indicate that the OT was too harsh. In fact, obedience to God, is highly stressed in the NT.


How about this?

Matthew 10
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.



Furthermore, the NT is more focused on salvation (the afterlife) - lol, if you think OT is harsh.......

........ what say you about ETERNAL PUNISHMENT IN A FIERY LAKE - AGONY FOR ALL ETERNITY?
And, many will be thrown in there! Assuming of course that those who don't find the narrow path will end up there.

That doesn't exceed the harshness of OT? :mrgreen:
 
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For me the lack of evidence of Alien cultures is intriguing and fascinating.
It could simply be that we're the first such species in the universe or that we're one of the last.
The universe is over 6 billion years old so we could just be in a period where nobody is speaking and we'd have no way of knowing if a galactic civilisation was out and about 1 billion years ago.

If we are indeed alone in the universe it makes life's appearance here even more amazing as there surely must be other places with similar conditions considering how many planets there are.

I hope we find evidence for life on other planets during my lifetime but I feel the chances are pretty low.
 
tosca1 said:
There is no logic to that thought.

Nowhere in the NT does it in any way indicate that the OT was too harsh. In fact, obedience to God, is highly stressed in the NT.


How about this?

Matthew 10
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.



Furthermore, the NT is more focused on salvation (the afterlife) - lol, if you think OT is harsh.......

........ what say you about ETERNAL PUNISHMENT IN A FIERY LAKE - AGONY FOR ALL ETERNITY?
And, many will be thrown in there! Assuming of course that those who don't find the narrow path will end up there.

That doesn't exceed the harshness of OT? :mrgreen:
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633 laws in the OT. Look them all up and come back here and tell me if YOU would LOVE LOVE LOVE living like that.

Even though this was 2000 years ago, people STILL saw the OT as ridiculous. It was easy peasy for Paul to create a "new" religion because people were fed up with the stupid OT laws. Not a one of you have shown anywhere in your bible where JESUS said any OT laws were abolished. The only stupid sentence that someone here used was where he said he cam to fulfill the laws, as if THAT means abolish when in the sentence right before that he said he did NOT come to abolish the laws. You only get that from Paul, the inventor of the religion all of you believe.
 
Paradoxical said:
633 laws in the OT. Look them all up and come back here and tell me if YOU would LOVE LOVE LOVE living like that.

Even though this was 2000 years ago, people STILL saw the OT as ridiculous. It was easy peasy for Paul to create a "new" religion because people were fed up with the stupid OT laws. Not a one of you have shown anywhere in your bible where JESUS said any OT laws were abolished. The only stupid sentence that someone here used was where he said he cam to fulfill the laws, as if THAT means abolish when in the sentence right before that he said he did NOT come to abolish the laws. You only get that from Paul, the inventor of the religion all of you believe.
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All societies have laws, and punishments for violations:


There are also laws that ensure that if the innocence of an accused person is proven, his / her accuser would be punished instead. For example, “If a man is accused of sorcery he must undergo ordeal by water; if he is proven innocent, his accuser must pay 3 shekels”, and “If a man accused the wife of a man of adultery, and the river ordeal proved her innocent, then the man who had accused her must pay one-third of a mina of silver.”
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The Code of Ur-Nammu: When Ancient Sumerians Laid Down the Law, Everyone Obeyed | Ancient Origins


Lol. What is that "water ordeal" that you'd have to pass to prove your innocence? Water boarding? :mrgreen:



How would you like to sacrifice your child?



Ancient Mesopotamia: Ritual Child Sacrifice Uncovered in Bronze Age Turkey

Archaeologists have uncovered evidence that at least 11 children and young people were killed as a result of ritualistic sacrifice between 3100 and 2800 B.C.E. Their research was published Wednesday in the journal Antiquity.

The bodies of people aged around 11 and up were arranged in bizarre positions in and around a large stone tomb. Eight young people lay at the feet of two children in the coffin-like structure. Further remains lay around the tomb surrounded by extravagant grave goods.

Some remains show evidence of stab wounds, but researchers aren't sure how all of the individuals lost their lives. One male had violent injuries to his hip and head, similar to wounds reconstructed from other Mesopotamian ritual sacrifices.
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Has nothing to do whether you'd want to live that. Like as if you have a choice on the matter.
Unless you exiled yourself and lived outside of any societies. :lol:

Life was tough in ancient times - and must seem impossible for us to live in (compared to living now).
Would you like living in ancient times? I won't. And, it has nothing to do with religion either.
 
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tosca1 said:
All societies have laws, and punishments for violations:




The Code of Ur-Nammu: When Ancient Sumerians Laid Down the Law, Everyone Obeyed | Ancient Origins


Lol. What is that "water ordeal" that you'd d have to pass to prove your innocence? Water boarding? :mrgreen:




Has nothing to do whether you'd want to live that. Like as if you have a choice on the matter.
Unless you exiled yourself and lived outside of any societies. :lol:

Life was tough in ancient times - and must seem impossible for us to live in (compared to living now).
Would you like living in ancient times? I won't. And, it has nothing to do with religion either.
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You don't understand the difference between an alleged "God" issuing rules and man creating laws? Paul invented a new RELIGION. Not a new government.
 
tosca1 said:
There is no logic to that thought.

Nowhere in the NT does it in any way indicate that the OT was too harsh. In fact, obedience to God, is highly stressed in the NT.


How about this?

Matthew 10
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.



Furthermore, the NT is more focused on salvation (the afterlife) - lol, if you think OT is harsh.......

........ what say you about ETERNAL PUNISHMENT IN A FIERY LAKE - AGONY FOR ALL ETERNITY?
And, many will be thrown in there! Assuming of course that those who don't find the narrow path will end up there.

That doesn't exceed the harshness of OT? :mrgreen:
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GOod grief
 
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