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Lying in Islam

Yasureoktoo said:
I explained this before, directly to you, and obviously you still don't understand it.

I will explain it one more time,

If you post a certain Quote, especially something Muslims do not like, and the so called Muslim hating sites use, and there are lots of them.
If you use one of their referenced, it will give all an excuse to dismiss it.
"I I don't like that quote because I hate the site he got it from.

So I get mine straight from the Qur'an and hadieths., you have been told this before, and I am not going to say it again.

Just about any quote I post, will have book and verse number on it.
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Post a site that has that book and verse number so we can verify it. That is the standard in debate
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Here is an example where others are committing Kitman, and not knowing it.

One of my favorite verses.

Volume 1, Book 1, Number 6 :
Narrated by 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas

Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.

This verse is used by virtually every so -called Muslim hating site. ( A common name called when a Muslim has no defense against what is written).

The Kaffir who use it, mislead it as being an order from Muhammed, which it is not.

It is also a partial quote.
One of Muhammeds last orders before he died was to get rid of all the Jews.
A far cry from what is promoted.

Qur;an 6'5
to you your religion, to me mine

Bukhari
"There shall not be gathered together two religions in the island/peninsula of the Arabs".

Al-Muwatta Hadith Hadith 45.18
The Expulsion of the Jews from Madina
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula."

Malik said that Ibn Shihab said, ''Umar ibn al-Khattab searched for information about that until he was absolutely convinced that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, had said, 'Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula,' and he therefore expelled the Jews from Khaybar."

After Muhammed died this quote was made by a Persian general, not Muhammed.

Context is very important
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You mix your opinions in with the verses. Cite the link to the verse or be dismissed
 
vegas giants said:
You mix your opinions in with the verses. Cite the link to the verse or be dismissed
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The careful observer will note.

Volume 1, Book 1, Number 6 :
Narrated by 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas


I can't dumb it down anymore.
Back on block.
 
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Yasureoktoo said:
I can't dumb it down anymore.
Back on block.
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Then your posts are dismissed for lack of evidence. That is the standard.


All you are is a guy on the internet with an opinion
 
Yasureoktoo said:
This subject has come up to mixed answers and claims
Lying is actually a big part of the religion, more so than it was 1000 years ago.
I am pulling the intro, from an Islamic site, and will go on with sources all over for a perspective.
Now the subject came up a couple days ago, and a Muslim posted a site from an Islamic scholar,
Claiming it is not used, and discouraged, A lie in itself.

Lying in Islam

Lying in Islam – Islam Review
By Abdullah Al Araby

e for Muslims to act contrary to their faith. The following actions are acceptable:

Drink wine, abandon prayers, and skip fasting during Ramadan.
Renounce belief in Allah.
Kneel in homage to a deity other than Allah.

Kitman - Lying by omission.

An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind" ) while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."
Utter insincere oaths.
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Your link though, About:

"This site is about Islam, not Muslims. It is to demonstrate that the fundamental teachings of Islam are incompatible with the Christian faith, and the American way of life."

Very convincing.

Btw, I hope there was a Muslim here other than me, who said that this "lying in Islam" "is not used and discouraged" (I take that to mean is not used and is discouraged),because I never said either of those. A Christian (apparently) said that it is discouraged.

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ecofarm said:
How does anyone have this much time to hate a religion all day every day. Is this pre-church Islamophobia today?
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Perhaps it's how he makes a living?

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MeSoNe said:
Perhaps it's how he makes a living?
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That would make me feel better about it, strangely enough, but I don't think so. I think it's a life devoted to hate.
 
ecofarm said:
That would make me feel better about it, strangely enough, but I don't think so. I think it's a life devoted to hate.
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No, actually I'm at work, retired, I spend most of my time playing world of Warcraft, reading about Islam,
And commenting on Islamic sites.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
No, actually I'm at work, retired, I spend most of my time playing world of Warcraft, reading about Islam,
And commenting on Islamic sites.
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Maybe try some non-violence and non-hate stuff.
 
MeSoNe said:
Thank you. I wouldn't use buzz feed as a source for information on Islam.

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This is why I don't like using sites, and rather use Islamic text.

That one I am not familiar with, but apparently you are, and even if they are telling the truth, ( which in this case they are not),
The content is disregarded just because of the site.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
This is why I don't like using sites, and rather use Islamic text.

That one I am not familiar with, but apparently you are, and even if they are telling the truth, ( which in this case they are not),
The content is disregarded just because of the site.
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You don't know buzzfeednews?

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ecofarm said:
Maybe try some non-violence and non-hate stuff.
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This is a misconception about Islam, and we as a people are falling for it.

Be nice to them, and they will forget the orders within the religion.

You are speaking of brainwashed people.
Pray to your car 5 times a day and you will brainwash your self.

Regardless what they think Islam is, they are trapped, and ordered to obey their leader.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
This is why I don't like using sites, and rather use Islamic text.

That one I am not familiar with, but apparently you are, and even if they are telling the truth, ( which in this case they are not),
The content is disregarded just because of the site.
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Your interpretation of islamic text is all just your opinion
 
MeSoNe said:
Thank you. I wouldn't use buzz feed as a source for information on Islam.

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I guess I would just accept what some guy on the internet says about it. Lol
 
Yasureoktoo said:
This is a misconception about Islam, and we as a people are falling for it.

Be nice to them, and they will forget the orders within the religion.
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I meant the hobbies you presented. Nothing wrong with some video gaming, but too much time in violent games and reading hate material about a religion is not good.
 
ecofarm said:
I meant the hobbies you presented. Nothing wrong with some video gaming, but too much time in violent games and reading hate material about a religion is not good.
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I understand, however Islam is virtually all hate.
Muhammed was a terrorist, murderer, thief, slave trader, sexual pervert, and a slew of other adjectives.

Nobody in their right mind would believe the stuff that comes out of the religion,
it's just too crazy and violent.
You have to read it for yourself, and it is interesting reading.

Even Hitler was fascinated with Islam, not for the religion, but for the control it had on the people.
They make the perfect soldier, wanting to die in battle.
 
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Yasureoktoo said:
I understand, however Islam is virtually all hate.
Muhammed was a terrorist, murderer, thief, slave trader, sexual pervert, and a slew of other adjectives.

Nobody in their right mind would believe the stuff that comes out of the religion,
it's just too crazy and violent.
You have to read it for yourself, and it is interesting reading.
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Now it comes out.


This is all you have.


Your hate.
 
vegas giants said:
I guess I would just accept what some guy on the internet says about it. Lol
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You should search legimate Islamic site for the information. There are news articles written by so called "Liberal" Muslims, news articles where the words of someone have been take out of context or they've been misunderstood or misquoted. Also the information regarding what I asked on that link was scarce and vague. So to draw conclusions from it is risky.

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MeSoNe said:
Don't waste your time.

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One thing I have an advantage on is my studies about Islam and I can usually spot a phony site.

I will stick up for the religion when I run across something phony.

Similar to what I posted about the abuse of the verse, "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country."
 
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MeSoNe said:
You should search legimate Islamic site for the information. There are news articles written by so called "Liberal" Muslims, news articles where the words of someone have been take out of context or they've been misunderstood or misquoted. Also the information regarding what I asked on that link was scarce and vague. So to draw conclusions from it is risky.

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It quoted islamic experts.


Quote one that contradicts it and I will check that source
 
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