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An apologist's answer to the question of unity and division among Christians

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It isn't the first time that the argument of division and unity among Christians was wielded as a weapon to silence the opposition,
or to distract from an issue. To accuse someone of causing unity and division - citing the Scriptures - can be a very powerful method.

It was thrown at me years ago on this very forum - I was told that I am "the kind of Christian that turns people off Christianity!"
That accusation had somehow made me question myself, and I put that issue before God.

I give thanks for that person who threw that accusation at me........... for in doing so, I had one of my greatest experience with God!



The tactic was used again in the thread Marian Doctrines. Posts #238, 239, 240, 241
Marian Doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church

And it was used again, post #328, 329.


No doubt, it will be used in the future. I suppose this is a subject that has to be met headlong.




The issue of UNITY and DIVISION are taken out of context by people who use them when they cannot give any rebuttals to arguments
that are put forward. It's a form of distraction - trying to put the opposition on the defensive.


In Christianity - anyone who thinks nothing whatsoever warrants any division - you're wrong!


Matthew 10

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

36
a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.




That's a house divided!



And, if you think Christians must unite despite the HUGE DIFFERENCE between their beliefs - you're wrong!



2 Thessalonians 3:14
If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed.

1 Cor 5:9-13
But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”


2 John 1: 7-11
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.





Apologists for the Biblical teachings of Christ will have to weather all the darts that would be inflicted on them.
In some cases - in big issues such as idolatry - it's a matter of LIFE and DEATH. Thus, we try to warn others of the pitfalls.
When we have The Truth, there is nothing to fear.
 
If anyone thinks Christians should not voice out any opposition for something unrighteous, just so to maintain peace - you're wrong!


Paul had openly rebuked Peter, and talked about it!


Galatians 2

Paul Opposes Cephas

11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.

13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
 
Hey, by all means bro, have at it.

Doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

I'll sit on the sidelines and laugh at people arguing over imaginary beings ALL DAY LONG.

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Hey, by all means bro, have at it.

Doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

I'll sit on the sidelines and laugh at people arguing over imaginary beings ALL DAY LONG.

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That's okay. This is your time.

We'll be having ours................ later. ;)
 
That's okay. This is your time. ;)

We'll be having ours................ later.

Oh... Is that when the imaginary beings will come back never and punish all of us for not believing and stuff?

Hate to burst your vengeful fantasies about finally punishing all those that don't think like you but, ain't gonna happen sister.

Guarantee you with 1000% certainty.
 
It isn't the first time that the argument of division and unity among Christians was wielded as a weapon to silence the opposition,
or to distract from an issue. To accuse someone of causing unity and division - citing the Scriptures - can be a very powerful method.

It was thrown at me years ago on this very forum - I was told that I am "the kind of Christian that turns people off Christianity!"
That accusation had somehow made me question myself, and I put that issue before God.

I give thanks for that person who threw that accusation at me........... for in doing so, I had one of my greatest experience with God!



The tactic was used again in the thread Marian Doctrines. Posts #238, 239, 240, 241
Marian Doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church

And it was used again, post #328, 329.


No doubt, it will be used in the future. I suppose this is a subject that has to be met headlong.




The issue of UNITY and DIVISION are taken out of context by people who use them when they cannot give any rebuttals to arguments
that are put forward. It's a form of distraction - trying to put the opposition on the defensive.


In Christianity - anyone who thinks nothing whatsoever warrants any division - you're wrong!


Matthew 10

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

36
a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.




That's a house divided!



And, if you think Christians must unite despite the HUGE DIFFERENCE between their beliefs - you're wrong!



2 Thessalonians 3:14
If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed.

1 Cor 5:9-13
But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”


2 John 1: 7-11
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.





Apologists for the Biblical teachings of Christ will have to weather all the darts that would be inflicted on them.
In some cases - in big issues such as idolatry - it's a matter of LIFE and DEATH. Thus, we try to warn others of the pitfalls.
When we have The Truth, there is nothing to fear.

if your religion not bull **** and you have an all powerful all knowing god who wants people to know about it why the **** are we hearing about it from you and other people and not god directly?
 
if your religion not bull **** and you have an all powerful all knowing god who wants people to know about it why the **** are we hearing about it from you and other people and not god directly?

Didn't you post that several times already in other threads?
 
Didn't you post that several times already in other threads?

and i will keep it up til i get a decent answer

if your religion not bull **** and you have an all powerful all knowing god who wants people to know about it why the **** are we hearing about it from you and other people and not god directly?
 
and i will keep it up til i get a decent answer

if your religion not bull **** and you have an all powerful all knowing god who wants people to know about it why the **** are we hearing about it from you and other people and not god directly?

Oh, okay. Feel free....
 
Oh, okay. Feel free....

if your religion not bull **** and you have an all powerful all knowing god who wants people to know about it why the **** are we hearing about it from you and other people and not god directly?
 
if your religion not bull **** and you have an all powerful all knowing god who wants people to know about it why the **** are we hearing about it from you and other people and not god directly?

You are determined to ask this. The short answer is this: God is not in control of this world...witness free will. Jesus said “My kingdom is not of this world”.
 
You are determined to ask this. The short answer is this: God is not in control of this world...witness free will. Jesus said “My kingdom is not of this world”.

talking about yourself is not taking control of the world

if your religion not bull **** and you have an all powerful all knowing god who wants people to know about it why the **** are we hearing about it from you and other people and not god directly?
 
I suppose this is a subject that has to be met headlong.

The issue of UNITY and DIVISION are taken out of context by people who use them when they cannot give any rebuttals to arguments
that are put forward. It's a form of distraction - trying to put the opposition on the defensive.


In Christianity - anyone who thinks nothing whatsoever warrants any division - you're wrong!


Matthew 10

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

36
a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.




That's a house divided!

This is a difficult scripture for Christians to understand. Actually the 'division' that Jesus speaks of is perhaps the greatest call for unity in the Bible. It is a call not to unite oneself with anything on earth.....not your family....not your church....not your country....not race or ethnicity....not status or wealth. All of these things pit family against family...church against church....country against country....etc. When the Bible says 'honor your father' our first understanding should be to honor our Father in heaven. And my list of relationships should have probably first mentioned do not attach yourself to your ego. This was the first separation from God. Everyone of these formentioned things represent our impediments to unity.
 
This is a difficult scripture for Christians to understand. Actually the 'division' that Jesus speaks of is perhaps the greatest call for unity in the Bible. It is a call not to unite oneself with anything on earth.....not your family....not your church....not your country....not race or ethnicity....not status or wealth. All of these things pit family against family...church against church....country against country....etc. When the Bible says 'honor your father' our first understanding should be to honor our Father in heaven. And my list of relationships should have probably first mentioned do not attach yourself to your ego. This was the first separation from God. Everyone of these formentioned things represent our impediments to unity.


I just wanted to explain about divisions and unity which is being used to wield as a weapon to silence Christians from
upholding the TRUTH in the Scriptures.


It's already been explained, with support from the Scriptures - I didn't want that info to be embedded in a thread.
I want it available for easy referencing, thus a thread for it.

So anytime some Christians would try to use that trick of taking "divisions" and "unity" out of context - I don't need to go into any lengthy spiel.

As for the non-believers - - we know they're most definitely ignorant of the Bible.
I suppose they just desperately want some attention. :lol:
 
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I just wanted to explain about divisions and unity which is being used to wield as a weapon to silence Christians from
upholding the TRUTH in the Scriptures.


It's already been explained, with support from the Scriptures - I didn't want that info to be embedded in a thread.
I want it available for easy referencing, thus a thread for it.

So anytime some Christians would try to use that trick of taking "divisions" and "unity" out of context - I don't need to go into any lengthy spiel.

As for the non-believers - - we know they're most definitely ignorant of the Bible.
I suppose they just desperately want some attention. :lol:

you have not shown your scriptuter to be the truth

why would a god need scripture?

if your religion not bull **** and you have an all powerful all knowing god who wants people to know about it why the **** are we hearing about it from you and other people and not god directly?
 
Originally Posted by Metanoia View Post
This is a difficult scripture for Christians to understand. Actually the 'division' that Jesus speaks of is perhaps the greatest call for unity in the Bible. It is a call not to unite oneself with anything on earth.....not your family....not your church....not your country....not race or ethnicity....not status or wealth. All of these things pit family against family...church against church....country against country....etc. When the Bible says 'honor your father' our first understanding should be to honor our Father in heaven.
And my list of relationships should have probably first mentioned do not attach yourself to your ego. This was the first separation from God. Everyone of these formentioned things represent our impediments to unity.
:roll:


Long story short: We have to unite against evil, right? We have to unite in watching each other's back, right?
To help one another from going astray - just the same way that Paul did for Peter (who also led Barnabas astray)!


We have to unite as parts of the Body of Christ (worldwide) - with Christ being the Head, right?

Therefore - as parts of the Body of our Head - we've got to do what He has told us to do!


He led by example! There is nothing divisive about warning and rebuking.
UNLESS - we let PRIDE get in the way and blind us to the fact that, to rebuke a wrongdoing comes with our duty as a Christian.


Then, because of pride - we bash the messenger instead of contemplating on the message!



Gal 2
Paul Opposes Cephas

11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.

12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from
the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.

13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.






Had Paul lived today and posted that message online - would you call him being divisive?

Sowing dissension?



Would you say that of Christ, too? Would you call out Christ for giving such divisive tirade?
 
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