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Marian Doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church

nota bene said:
I've taken nothing out of context, Tosca. I know what "communion of saints" means. You are really projecting here. Worse, your attitude is "Don't bother me with facts or explanations; my mind is already made up." You have already decided that anyone who disagrees with you is an "apologist," and rather than taking in what others say, you pridefully choose to call names and pronounce ignorant judgment on others.

And you're mistaken: This actually is all about you. Take the plank out of your own eye, and then worry about others...whose hearts, by the way, you do not know. As you've acknowledged, you're certainly no authority, and you have zero interest in what others have to say, only in making your condemning judgments.
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Bye-bye, nota bene. Stop the personal attacks. I'm not buying.

Review the posts.


Let's get back on topic. This is about the Marian Doctrines.

You wanna direct me to a constructive post you did so I can read it?
 
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tosca1 said:
Bye-bye, nota bene. Stop the personal attacks. I'm not buying.

Review the posts.


Let's get back on topic. This is about the Marian Doctrines.

You wanna direct me to a constructive post you did so I can read it?
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No. You have demonstrated too many times that your mind is already made up and that you have not the slightest interest in what others have to say.
 
Rumpel said:
@ Tosca



Does your religion call these lines "pagan and satanic"?
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Yes. The Scriptures would.
Satan is a crafty devil, you know.

Satanic does not necessarily come from only pagan.
Why was there a split in the early churches - all the heretic teachings that Paul was talking about?


Btw.....is that all you do with Mary?
 
The greatest sowing of dissension comes from those who sway from what the Scriptures teach, in order to make up their own, traditions/rituals/beliefs, to appease their own selfish desires, instead of what God wants from them...true and pure worship...
 
Have I done the Mediatrix yet?
 
it's just me said:
Well, the world has officially gone to hell. Riots are destroying our cities and Elvira and Tosca are on the same side...
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Now, that's funny...:giggle1:...truth be told, I don't think Tosca1 believes in the trinity at all...she just doesn't realize it yet...:2razz:
 
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Well, the world has officially gone to hell. Riots are destroying our cities and Elvira and Tosca are on the same side...

Elvira said:
Now, that's funny...:giggle1:...truth be told, I don't think Tosca1 believes in the trinity at all...she just doesn't realize it yet...:2razz:
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I have to butt in and just re-state for the record: I do believe in the Trinity.
I firmly believe Jesus and God are One.


Now.....having said that, I'm not going to go any further in this thread. We'll save it for another time or thread. :2razz:



But I do think Elvira and I had found a common ground in the Marian Doctrines. We're both arguing for the Scriptures.
Like I've said: Idolatry isn't something light. In fact, it's one of the biggest violation any Christian can do to God's Command.
Elvira and I, are both on the same side on this. We are.....comrades! :mrgreen:
 
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tosca1 said:
I have to butt in and just re-state for the record: I do believe in the Trinity.
I firmly believe Jesus and God are One.


Now.....having said that, I'm not going to go any further in this thread. We'll save it for another time or thread. :2razz:



But I do think Elvira and I had found a common ground in the Marian Doctrines. We're both arguing for the Scriptures.
Like I've said: Idolatry isn't something light. In fact, it's one of the biggest violation any Christian can do to God's Command.
Elvira and I, are both on the same side on this. We are.....comrades! :mrgreen:
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Well, I believe they are one, also...much in the same way a husband and wife are one but still 2 separate individuals...
 
Elvira said:
In other words, you are deluding yourself...got it...
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I suppose you could say that as for belief in the assumption, the majority of Christians, being Catholic, are deluding themselves, right? I merely explained the reasoning of the Catholic Church to do with the assumption of Mary. Then, I explained what information I see in the Bible that one could argue lends to that notion. If you want to discuss delusion because of what one reads in the Bible is interpreted as being factual and real, then every Christian is deluded.
 
Elvira said:
The Bible overrides any man's words...

"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," Romans 3:23

"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin,+ and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned" Romans 5:12
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What was Mary's sin?
 
bluesmoke said:
I suppose you could say that as for belief in the assumption, the majority of Christians, being Catholic, are deluding themselves, right? I merely explained the reasoning of the Catholic Church to do with the assumption of Mary. Then, I explained what information I see in the Bible that one could argue lends to that notion. If you want to discuss delusion because of what one reads in the Bible is interpreted as being factual and real, then every Christian is deluded.
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But we can at least hold true to what the Bible teaches..not taking away from or adding to...
 
bluesmoke said:
What was Mary's sin?
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She was born in sin, like everyone has been since Cain and Abel...Romans 5:12...did you know that belief did not become an article of Catholic faith until 1854?
 
tosca1 said:
If it doesn't hurt you - then obviously I presume too much to think that what I'm saying is hurtful to all that adheres to the Marian doctrine.
Are you resenting my attempt in trying to soften the harshness of my arguments?





Those who belong in that category. Those who feel angry at my arguments.
If you feel any anger at what I have given to support my arguments - then, yes you are one of them.





The questions are topic-related, right?
It's address to people who have been participating in the discussion - and to anyone who may want to answer the question.
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No hurt here nor any adherence to the Marian doctrine. Just explaining the reasoning for the belief in the doctrine as best I can find it and find reasoning against it.

I didn’t know what of yours was so harsh that you softened nor what the softening was.

You didn't answer my questions. What makes you think I belong in “that category” or am one of the “some”? What is the anger (what are people angry about) that you speak of? In what way do others “lash-out”?

Thanks for the clarity that your questions are directed to anyone, not just “you folks”.
 
tosca1 said:
Yes. The Scriptures would.
Satan is a crafty devil, you know.
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I thought as much.
So now we know.
The "Hail Mary" is satanic and pagan in your eyes.
 
tosca1 said:
I have to butt in and just re-state for the record: I do believe in the Trinity.
I firmly believe Jesus and God are One.


Now.....having said that, I'm not going to go any further in this thread. We'll save it for another time or thread. :2razz:



But I do think Elvira and I had found a common ground in the Marian Doctrines. We're both arguing for the Scriptures.
Like I've said: Idolatry isn't something light. In fact, it's one of the biggest violation any Christian can do to God's Command.
Elvira and I, are both on the same side on this. We are.....comrades! :mrgreen:
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Yep, you have your hatred of mainstream Christianity in common.
 
bluesmoke said:
No hurt here nor any adherence to the Marian doctrine. Just explaining the reasoning for the belief in the doctrine as best I can find it and find reasoning against it.

I didn’t know what of yours was so harsh that you softened nor what the softening was.

You didn't answer my questions. What makes you think I belong in “that category” or am one of the “some”? What is the anger (what are people angry about) that you speak of? In what way do others “lash-out”?

Thanks for the clarity that your questions are directed to anyone, not just “you folks”.
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The explanation was as is. I wasn't thinking as per individual.
 
Rumpel said:
I thought as much.
So now we know.
The "Hail Mary" is satanic and pagan in your eyes.
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Well, yeah! Lol. Nothing new there.

I thought that was made clear long time ago - when I even brought up Queen of Heaven (which was the title given to the goddess wife of Baal).
Like, why woud anyone give that title to Mary - if that wasn't satanically inspired!


My point: it's not only necessarily pagan stuff that are satanical.
Other heretical teachings that Paul was talking about, which was causing divisions among the churches even then.

Today, an example would be placing the Pope to be more credible and reliable than the Bible!
 
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tosca1 said:
Well, yeah! Lol. Nothing new there.

I thought that was made clear long time ago - when I even brought up Queen of Heaven (which was the title given to the goddess wife of Baal).
Like, why woud anyone give that title to Mary - if that wasn't satanically inspired!


My point: it's not only necessarily pagan stuff that are satanical.
Other heretical teachings that Paul was talking about, which was causing divisions among the churches.
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Anything that does not originate from God is pagan/false...
 
Elvira said:
Anything that does not originate from God is pagan/false...
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The definition of pagan is follower of polytheistic religion - which was prevalent during the Biblical times.

I think Gnosticism - which was among the problems during Paul's time - was non-pagan.
Mind you, its origin is still being debated.
 
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tosca1 said:
The definition of pagan is follower of polytheistic religion - which was prevalent during the Biblical times.

I think Gnosticism is non-pagan.
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I disagree...if it's not from God, it originates with Satan, which falls under all those categories...there are only 2 sides...
 
Elvira said:
I disagree...if it's not from God, it originates with Satan, which falls under all those categories...there are only 2 sides...
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Oh I agree that anything that deviates from the Word of God (Scriptures), would be Satan-inspired.
I'm just saying that it doesn't have to be pagan.

Like, if someone suddenly comes up with their own version of the Scriptures (like placing the Pope above the Scriptures, saying that the Bible is not infallible like the Pope!) - that the Bible could be wrong but never the Pope - that's an example that it hasn't have to be pagan to be
satan-inspired.
 
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it's just me said:
Yep, you have your hatred of mainstream Christianity in common.
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Those are YOUR words, NOT tosca's words. I've never seen her post she 'hates' mainstream Christianity. Do you have any post of hers to present to validate your positive claim you just attributed to her.?. If so, please present it. If not, your claim is dismissed due to inability to meet Burden of Proof, and reveals you posted a lie about her.
 
Logician Man said:
Those are YOUR words, NOT tosca's words. I've never seen her post she 'hates' mainstream Christianity. Do you have any post of hers to present to validate your positive claim you just attributed to her.?. If so, please present it. If not, your claim is dismissed due to inability to meet Burden of Proof, and reveals you posted a lie about her.
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If he's posting, he's lying...
 
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