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    Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Internet Atheists don't seem to have much at all in the way of argument, do they?
    I say you are quite right Angel

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    Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    Actually they have a lot...

     
    of nonsense...
    You can say that again, E!
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    Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Internet Atheists don't seem to have much at all in the way of argument, do they?
    We don't need to.

    You made the claim. You need to show supporting evidence.

    We don't need to prove you wrong.

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    Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyChief View Post
    We don't need to.

    You made the claim. You need to show supporting evidence.

    We don't need to prove you wrong.
    Why do you need to do?
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    Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Why do you need to do?
    Huh?

    I just said we DON'T need to.

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    Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyChief View Post
    Huh?

    I just said we DON'T need to.
    And I asked you what there is, if anything, that you need to do as an atheist engaging a theist in a discussion?
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    Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by TypicalRussian View Post
    Santa Claus has no connection to Jesus
    Sure he does. They're both storybook characters.

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    Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    And I asked you what there is, if anything, that you need to do as an atheist engaging a theist in a discussion?
    As an atheist/skeptic, I need to give you an opportunity to provide some evidence of your claim.

    In this case, your claim is nothing happens without a reason. But things do happen all the time without a reason - especially at the quantum level.

    Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle is based on this. This is important, because at the moment of the Big Bang, all that existed was the quantum field.

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    Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyChief View Post
    As an atheist/skeptic, I need to give you an opportunity to provide some evidence of your claim.

    In this case, your claim is nothing happens without a reason. But things do happen all the time without a reason - especially at the quantum level.

    Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle is based on this. This is important, because at the moment of the Big Bang, all that existed was the quantum field.
    We pick up the Big Bang one Plannck second after it began. Any assertion of what existed before that is pure speculation.

    So all you need to do in this conversation is sit back and listen? Is that the atheist role in discussion of God? That's rich! All you need to do is give me the opportunity to convince you? You guys kill me!

    I provide an argument for my claim. The evidence is the existence of the universe. Do you doubt the evidence? Can you refute the argument (it's in the OP in case you have not read it)?
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    Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    We pick up the Big Bang one Plannck second after it began. Any assertion of what existed before that is pure speculation.

    So all you need to do in this conversation is sit back and listen? Is that the atheist role in discussion of God? That's rich! All you need to do is give me the opportunity to convince you? You guys kill me!

    I provide an argument for my claim. The evidence is the existence of the universe. Do you doubt the evidence? Can you refute the argument (it's in the OP in case you have not read it)?
    I don't doubt the universe exists, but the Principle of Sufficient Reason doesn't explain what caused it to exist. It only provides one possibility.

    Nobody truly knows what caused it. Many claim God caused it, but there is no empirical evidence to support that argument. You must have faith to believe that God caused the Big Bang.

    Even the braniac astrophysicists admit they don't know what caused it. They'll even admit that man(kind) may never know for sure.

    Atheists and skeptics want to see evidence. Its a part of Critical Thinking.

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