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Born-again Christians

devildavid said:
Because if you don't, you can't possibly feel anything close to what god feels and are only projecting human emotions onto god.
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Not true...you can come to know God through His written word, the Bible...
 
devildavid said:
Because if you don't, you can't possibly feel anything close to what god feels and are only projecting human emotions onto god.
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Jesus called Him "Father." That's good enough for me. We are called His children, and we were created in His image. If you're familiar with Pope's Essay on Man, then you understand as well as I do that humankind is limited to understanding Him only through our own understanding, not through His. :roll:

An Essay on Man: Epistle I by Alexander Pope | Poetry Foundation
 
nota bene said:
Jesus called Him "Father." That's good enough for me. We are called His children, and we were created in His image. If you're familiar with Pope's Essay on Man, then you understand as well as I do that humankind is limited to understanding Him only through our own understanding, not through His. :roll:

An Essay on Man: Epistle I by Alexander Pope | Poetry Foundation
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But according to some, Jesus is part of a triune god. So it doesn't really matter that he supposedly called the god he is part father or that god's followers are referred to as children. this is still projecting human relationships onto a non human entity. Pope has his view, I have mine, I disagree with him. i think that if there is a god we can question the nature of that god and its motivations. This whole claim that we can't comprehend is actually self defeating. So if we can't comprehend, how can we even trust that god is looking out for us or even cares?
 
Elvira said:
Not true...you can come to know God through His written word, the Bible...
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God did not write the bible directly. It is not signed by god and not narrated by god. Human beings wrote the words.
 
Lovebug said:
Have any of you who are arguing with unbelievers considered Matthew 7:6?
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nota bene said:
Pretty much every time I post in this forum, Lovebug. ;)
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That is the usual religious insult hurled at those who question anything about religion. It is an attack from a point of view of superiority that the religious seem to think they possess. And also the mistaken idea that all questioning of religion amounts to an attack on religion.
 
devildavid said:
God did not write the bible directly. It is not signed by god and not narrated by god. Human beings wrote the words.
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And:
God never claimed a copyright on the book called "Bible". :cool:
 
devildavid said:
God did not write the bible directly. It is not signed by god and not narrated by god. Human beings wrote the words.
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Human beings whom God spoke to...
 
devildavid said:
But according to some, Jesus is part of a triune god. So it doesn't really matter that he supposedly called the god he is part father or that god's followers are referred to as children. this is still projecting human relationships onto a non human entity. Pope has his view, I have mine, I disagree with him. i think that if there is a god we can question the nature of that god and its motivations. This whole claim that we can't comprehend is actually self defeating. So if we can't comprehend, how can we even trust that god is looking out for us or even cares?
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I am truly sorry if you cannot comprehend. I am confident in my own comprehension and my own partial human understanding.
 
devildavid said:
That is the usual religious insult hurled at those who question anything about religion. It is an attack from a point of view of superiority that the religious seem to think they possess. And also the mistaken idea that all questioning of religion amounts to an attack on religion.
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I've never made such claims, nor have I insinuated them; nevertheless, posting in this forum is all too often a form of pearl-casting.
 
nota bene said:
I've never made such claims, nor have I insinuated them; nevertheless, posting in this forum is all too often a form of pearl-casting.
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I'm not sure what you mean by you making claims. What claims did I say you made?

Are you casting pearls to the entire forum? And what makes your contribution pearls compared to those who disagree with your views? Because some take questioning and as attacks is no reason to stop questioning. That is what this particular sub forum is all about.
 
I wonder if Christ would approve of the hateful, insensitive, and biased views of some of these "Born Again" and Evangelical Christians? I associate Christ with charity and empathy for people who are ill or suffering from poverty.
 
paul342160 said:
I wonder if Christ would approve of the hateful, insensitive, and biased views of some of these "Born Again" and Evangelical Christians? I associate Christ with charity and empathy for people who are ill or suffering from poverty.
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Why don't we just cut to the chase and agree that you will never be happy until Christianity is silenced?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
In modern American Christianity all being born again requires is saying a predefined sentence or two and really meaning it. No spiritual progress or growth required.
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I would think the concept is that taking into oneself those words, and meaning them, is the start of Christian spiritual growth.

Think. At birth do we know anything beyond the instinctual? It’s at that point that we progress, learn, grow. Why wouldn’t be the same for religious rebirth?

So... It’s the birth process to come into the world, unknowing, and grow from there, but you have to start at being ‘born again’.
 
ModernDiogenes said:
I would think the concept is that taking into oneself those words, and meaning them, is the start of Christian spiritual growth.
Think. At birth do we know anything beyond the instinctual? It’s at that point that we progress, learn, grow. Why wouldn’t be the same for religious rebirth?
So... It’s the birth process to come into the world, unknowing, and grow from there, but you have to start at being ‘born again’.
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What is the point of spiritual growth if just by saying and meaning that one sentence you become immortal and have an infinite amount of time to stretch out that growth or do whatever? A day, week, month, year or lifetime all become meaningless. The actual spiritual growth part is optional according to the rules laid out by Christianity.
 
it's just me said:
Why don't we just cut to the chase and agree that you will never be happy until Christianity is silenced?
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In which thread and post # was 'silencing Christianity' mentioned? Or are you simply trying, and failing miserably, to put YOUR words in ANOTHER poster's mouth ? Which is a sure-fired way to lose credibility and the argument.
 
Logician Man said:
In which thread and post # was 'silencing Christianity' mentioned? Or are you simply trying, and failing miserably, to put YOUR words in ANOTHER poster's mouth ? Which is a sure-fired way to lose credibility and the argument.
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You ought to know about losing credibility and arguments.

If you want to know what I was talking about, sound it out.
 
it's just me said:
You ought to know about losing credibility and arguments.

If you want to know what I was talking about, sound it out.
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So, the 'fact', is, "silencing Christianity" ( YOUR words ) wasn't mentioned at all, and you did indeed try, and failed, to put YOUR words in ANOTHER's poster's mouth, therefore conceding the point, and, losing the argument.
 
Logician Man said:
So, the 'fact', is, "silencing Christianity" ( YOUR words ) wasn't mentioned at all, and you did indeed try, and failed, to put YOUR words in ANOTHER's poster's mouth, therefore conceding the point, and, losing the argument.
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I do this just to confuse you, and it's easy to do.
 
it's just me said:
I do this just to confuse you, and it's easy to do.
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'Bad Faith' debating, i.e. putting YOUR words in ANOTHER poster's mouth, confuses no one. But it does display a sense of desperation, and inability to debate intelligently. That's on you, and you alone. Own it.
 
Logician Man said:
'Bad Faith' debating, i.e. putting YOUR words in ANOTHER poster's mouth, confuses no one. But it does display a sense of desperation, and inability to debate intelligently. That's on you, and you alone. Own it.
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Go a away, Karen, you're projecting again.
 
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