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Meaning & Mystery

Angel said:
And more name-calling. Get serious, man. Your grade-school antics belie your putative learnedness. I'm sick and tired of your kind of posting. Vanish!
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I see you need to avoid the question at all costs. So be it. Furthermore, it is clear that you cannot support your claim and I interpret your feeble attacks and rejection of the source material to be merely indicative of your predicament.
 
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NWO_Spook said:
I see you need to avoid the question at all costs. So be it. Furthermore, it is clear that you cannot support your claim and I interpret your feeble attacks and rejection of the source material to be merely indicative of your predicament.
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“What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: ‘This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence—even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!'”
–Friedrich Nietzsche, The Gay Science
The Meaning of Nietzsche's Amor Fati and Eternal Return | Art of Manliness


The heaviest weight. – What if some day or night a demon were to steal into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: ‘This life as you now live it and have lived it you will have to live once again and innumerable times again; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unspeakably small or great in your life must return to you, all in the same succession and sequence—even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned over again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!’ Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: ‘You are a god, and never have I heard anything more divine.’ If this thought gained power over you, as you are it would transform and possibly crush you; the question in each and every thing, ‘Do you want this again and innumerable times again?’ would lie on your actions as the heaviest weight! Or how well disposed would you have to become to yourself and to life to long for nothing more fervently than for this ultimate eternal confirmation and seal? (GS 341)
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http://history.as.uky.edu/sites/def...ory of Eternal Recurrence - Scott Jenkins.pdf


Nietzsche, Friedrich | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy


In the aftermath of Nehamas (1985), an influential line of readings has argued that the thought to which Nietzsche attributed such “fundamental” significance was never a cosmological or theoretical claim at all—whether about time, or fate, or the world, or the self—but instead a practical thought experiment designed to test whether one’s life has been good.
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Friedrich Nietzsche (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)


The doctrine of eternal recurrence, the basic conception of Thus Spoke Zarathustra, asks the question “How well disposed would a person have to become to himself and to life to crave nothing more fervently than the infinite repetition, without alteration, of each and every moment?”
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Eternal recurrence | philosophy | Britannica

God has already died at our hands, according to Nietzsche, so the new love of eternity will not satisfy a nostalgia for the good old days of revealed religion. Among other things, the Tower of Babel, comprised of religious sects and a multitude of incompatible revelations, indicated to Nietzsche that we are bereft of a divinity who can communicate clearly. To be sure, God’s death was a dreadful, earthshaking event. Nevertheless, the overman of the future loves nothing more than eternity – understood as the never-ending, identical repetition of all physical events of the universe in all details, including the most odious – and this Nietzschean overman rebelliously exults in undisguised atheism.
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https://philosophynow.org/issues/29/Nietzsche_and_the_Eternal_Recurrence
 
Angel said:
“What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: ‘This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence—even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!'”
–Friedrich Nietzsche, The Gay Science
The Meaning of Nietzsche's Amor Fati and Eternal Return | Art of Manliness



http://history.as.uky.edu/sites/def...ory of Eternal Recurrence - Scott Jenkins.pdf


Nietzsche, Friedrich | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy



Friedrich Nietzsche (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)



Eternal recurrence | philosophy | Britannica


https://philosophynow.org/issues/29/Nietzsche_and_the_Eternal_Recurrence
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And none of that answered the question regarding whether it is a theory or not (I prefer the term hypothesis in this case). No surprise there.
 
NWO_Spook said:
And none of that answered the question regarding whether it is a theory or not (I prefer the term hypothesis in this case). No surprise there.
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Of course it answered the question. Nietzsche is clearly posing a moral thought experiment, not a theory. What others have made of the thought experiment was not my point.
 
Angel said:
Of course it answered the question. Nietzsche is clearly posing a moral thought experiment, not a theory.
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Ok, if you believe thus, so be it. I fail to see support for your contention within the links and as I initially pointed out, the concept is not limited to Nietzsche and actually predates his exercises (see Indian philosophy).
 
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NWO_Spook said:
Ok, if you believe thus, so be it. I fail to see support for your contention within the links and as I initially pointed out, the concept is not limited to Nietzsche and actually predates his exercises (see Indian philosophy).
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No, the Indian religious/philosophical notions of cyclic time and regeneration of the life cycle of birth, life and death are not the same concept as Nietzsche's eternal recurrence, a thought experiment in morality that suggests we live the same exact life, make the same exact moral choices, endlessly. The concepts of karma and reincarnation do not fit Nietzsche's concept.

I provided the links to Nietzsche's aphoristic mention of eternal recurrence. Here are two other links that explode any comparison between other notions of eternal return and Nietzsche's notion of eternal recurrence. These links also expose the pseudo-scientific attempts to take the concept seriously. The concept has never been seriously considered by any philosopher of note, including Leibniz, Spinoza, and Hegel whose metaphysics would seem to lend itself to such a daydream. It was a thought experiment in Nietzsche, to make a point about morality, and nothing more.
http://www.wikitime.net/philosophy/194-eternal-returneng?format=pdf
NIETZSCHE'S ETERNAL RECURRENCE
 
Angel said:
No, the Indian religious/philosophical notions of cyclic time and regeneration of the life cycle of birth, life and death are not the same concept as Nietzsche's eternal recurrence, a thought experiment in morality that suggests we live the same exact life, make the same exact moral choices, endlessly. The concepts of karma and reincarnation do not fit Nietzsche's concept.

I provided the links to Nietzsche's aphoristic mention of eternal recurrence. Here are two other links that explode any comparison between other notions of eternal return and Nietzsche's notion of eternal recurrence. These links also expose the pseudo-scientific attempts to take the concept seriously. The concept has never been seriously considered by any philosopher of note, including Leibniz, Spinoza, and Hegel whose metaphysics would seem to lend itself to such a daydream. It was a thought experiment in Nietzsche, to make a point about morality, and nothing more.
http://www.wikitime.net/philosophy/194-eternal-returneng?format=pdf
NIETZSCHE'S ETERNAL RECURRENCE
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I appreciate your explanation of your position. Thank you.
 
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