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How America destroyed the Gospel

Elvira said:
LM, would that not provoke people to listen and serve Him out of nothing but fear, instead of love? Which is exactly what He does not want...He wants sincerity/love/trust...
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Hi E. From my POV, not really. From my POV that is precisely what is going on now. I was basically given a Holy text at a very young age ( long before the age of accountability ), and certainly long before I was educated enough to consider/analyze/evaluate the data critically, and was told ( paraphrasing) "Take this book, read it, accept it without questioning it's content, or burn in hell forever after you die for not believing it. God making an actual appearance would remove a lot, if not all doubt he/she/it actually exists, and would provide me with answers that can't be answered. And for me,personally, I'm one that doesn't believe 'any' holy text is definitive proof that Holy text is actual truth, and I don't think I'm on an island with that thought process.
 
it's just me said:
No, THAT ^ does not make sense. You are determined to not understand God's message, so it is a self fulfilling prophecy. If it can't be understood, Why do I understand it? Or any number of Christians around the world.

I'm going to tell you something: before I started coming to places like this I had no trouble finding people who understood God's message. These people glorify themselves instead of glorifying God.
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The problem is that god refuses to communicate clearly what he deems a vital message. If he has the ability to do this we can't be blamed for not receiving a vague, indirect message. And why wasn't this message available at the very beginning of human civilization? Why is the true message one which only came out at a certain point in human history when so many had already lived and died without receiving this particular message? The historical nature of gods message seems to point to god not being interested in conveying one clear message to all of humanity for all time.
 
it's just me said:
Do you want to know why? You don't understand because you don't want to give up your prejudices. I've seen this a hundred times - I can explain something as clearly as possible but you want to filter it through some defective lens you should have discarded years ago.
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You lost all credibility ( again) once you tried, and failed miserably (again), to try to tell me what I think, and my motives and reasons for thinking as I do. You just lost the argument AND the point, as putting YOUR thoughts and words in 'OTHERS' mouths is cleary way above your pay scale.
 
bomberfox said:
Yeaah im not ready to deny life saving medicine.
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You won't need medicine under God's rule...

"And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” Revelation 21:4
 
Elvira said:
You won't need medicine under God's rule...

"And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” Revelation 21:4
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For those who are living right now they get a daily dose of propaganda that kills them.
BNL Blood Drives: 56 Facts

All because some nut job whos failed predictions didnt dissuade him. Shunned family members who will never see their parents again. Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses say church's shunning caused too many suicides

There is no god that would ever convince me to disown and shun a child like that.
 
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Elvira said:
You won't need medicine under God's rule...

"And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” Revelation 21:4
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Ehhh... life and death kind of need each other to exist.
 
Logician Man said:
You lost all credibility ( again) once you tried, and failed miserably (again), to try to tell me what I think, and my motives and reasons for thinking as I do. You just lost the argument AND the point, as putting YOUR thoughts and words in 'OTHERS' mouths is cleary way above your pay scale.
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And you have never had any credibility - you just proved my point. You told me what you thought, I didn't tell you. Don't bother asking me questions you don't want to hear the answer to, you weren't part of this conversation anyway.
 
Logician Man said:
Hi E. From my POV, not really. From my POV that is precisely what is going on now. I was basically given a Holy text at a very young age ( long before the age of accountability ), and certainly long before I was educated enough to consider/analyze/evaluate the data critically, and was told ( paraphrasing) "Take this book, read it, accept it without questioning it's content, or burn in hell forever after you die for not believing it. God making an actual appearance would remove a lot, if not all doubt he/she/it actually exists, and would provide me with answers that can't be answered. And for me,personally, I'm one that doesn't believe 'any' holy text is definitive proof that Holy text is actual truth, and I don't think I'm on an island with that thought process.
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Well yeah, that's basically what happened to me, too, living in the south...but I learned better...God does not operate that way...I learned, through deep down study of the Bible, He wants us to come to Him, draw close to Him, and then He will draw close to us but we also have some work to do...

“Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones.” James 4:8
 
devildavid said:
The problem is that god refuses to communicate clearly what he deems a vital message. If he has the ability to do this we can't be blamed for not receiving a vague, indirect message. And why wasn't this message available at the very beginning of human civilization? Why is the true message one which only came out at a certain point in human history when so many had already lived and died without receiving this particular message? The historical nature of gods message seems to point to god not being interested in conveying one clear message to all of humanity for all time.
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The Bible tells us that it is Satan who distorts things, not God...
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Ehhh... life and death kind of need each other to exist.
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That was not God's purpose in the beginning...if Adam and Eve had not disobeyed, they would still be here today...only through disobedience, they received death...
 
it's just me said:
And you have never had any credibility - you just proved my point. You told me what you thought, I didn't tell you. Don't bother asking me questions you don't want to hear the answer to, you weren't part of this conversation anyway.
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Anyone can look at your post above and see for themselves you clearly tried, and failed miserably ( again ), to attempt to tell me why I think/do this or that. You're not qualified to go there, and there is even a biblical verse that indeed states what your attempting to do is a sin. Just because I ask you, or anyone, a question doesn't empower you to do a rather shoddy impersonation of a 'mind reader.' Furthermore, you're the worse ambassador for the teachings of Christ in this forum. Plenty of other DP members have noted this fact.
 
Elvira said:
That was not God's purpose in the beginning...if Adam and Eve had not disobeyed, they would still be here today...only through disobedience, they received death...
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Shouldn’t mankind be allowed to decide its own destiny? If not then why did god give us free will?

Or did god never intend to let humankind have free will?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Shouldn’t mankind be allowed to decide its own destiny? If not then why did god give us free will?

Or did god never intend to have humankind have free will?
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So, living forever is now considered a lack of free will...I think I've heard it all...:2razz:
 
Elvira said:
That is not what I said...there are people who do not care about God...He can read their hearts and He knows their innermost thoughts/feelings...He forces no one to serve Him...
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since rival religions and Christian sects exist thee are also people who care a lot about god and at best some of you must have no idea what god actually wants and at worse you all created gods instead of the other way around

why would a loving god set that up rather then just tell every one directly about itself leaving every one to make a fee and informed decision on how they want to respond
 
Logician Man said:
Anyone can look at your post above and see for themselves you clearly tried, and failed miserably ( again ), to attempt to tell me why I think/do this or that. You're not qualified to go there, and there is even a biblical verse that indeed states what your attempting to do is a sin. Just because I ask you, or anyone, a question doesn't empower you to do a rather shoddy impersonation of a 'mind reader.' Furthermore, you're the worse ambassador for the teachings of Christ in this forum. Plenty of other DP members have noted this fact.
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Anyone can look at your windbaggery and see that your motive is to cause trouble. Get lost.
 
blarg said:
since rival religions and Christian sects exist thee are also people who care a lot about god and at best some of you must have no idea what god actually wants and at worse you all created gods instead of the other way around

why would a loving god set that up rather then just tell every one directly about itself leaving every one to make a fee and informed decision on how they want to respond
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Sentences with punctuation would help me to understand what you are saying...I'm really tired of trying to figure out your word salads and I'm not gonna do it anymore...
 
Elvira said:
Well yeah, that's basically what happened to me, too, living in the south...but I learned better...God does not operate that way...I learned, through deep down study of the Bible, He wants us to come to Him, draw close to Him, and then He will draw close to us but we also have some work to do...

“Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones.” James 4:8
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Well, E., that gets back to my original post/point. If what you say is true, and I have no reason at all to disagree with you, the easiest way to accomplish what you just addressed, is to present, and lay any doubts to rest by hearing/seeing the 'truth' directly from the horse's mouth. ( just to use an old adage )
 
Elvira said:
His message is available to all...it all depends on how badly you wanna know what that message is...
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unless you dont have access to it or don understand it or dont know its authentic
 
Elvira said:
So, living forever is now considered a lack of free will...I think I've heard it all...:2razz:
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Live forever... so long as you do as you are told and don’t deviate from a predestined path...

Is it wrong for human kind to aspire to find their own path, their own destiny, being able to choose their own path?
 
it's just me said:
In order to understand you need to go back to the original Greek or Hebrew. This is easily done, there are things called "interlinears" everywhere.
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god never told me the geek or Hebrew versions of the bible have anything to do with it
 
Logician Man said:
Well, E., that gets back to my original post/point. If what you say is true, and I have no reason at all to disagree with you, the easiest way to accomplish what you just addressed, is to present, and lay any doubts to rest by hearing/seeing the 'truth' directly from the horse's mouth. ( just to use an old adage )
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Now, what makes you any more special than I am? I had to work and dig, why shouldn't you? lol...
 
it's just me said:
Anyone can look at your windbaggery and see that your motive is to cause trouble. Get lost.
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Translation: LM is spot on with his post, and IJM concedes the point, and loses the argument. ( again ), unless you're prepared to go on DP record as being qualified/capable of reading another's heart and mind. Is it your contention you are indeed capable and/or qualified to read the hearts and minds of other human beings? A simple YES or NO will suffice.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Live forever... so long as you do as you are told and don’t deviate from a predestined path...

Is it wrong for human kind to aspire to find their own path, their own destiny, being able to choose their own path?
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Living forever does not equate with pre-destination...there will always be limits to our freedoms/rights, just as there are now...for safety, for consideration of others, and just plain old common sense...
 
it's just me said:
God can communicate clearly if you want to know what He has to say. If you are determined to not understand that's not His fault.
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god is that true?



no answer


either theirs no god or it refuses to communicate clearly and thats not compatible with Benevolent all powerful all knowing god
 
Elvira said:
Now, what makes you any more special than I am? I had to work and dig, why shouldn't you? lol...
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LOL! That's 'one' of the reasons I always enjoy engaging these type of discussions, even though we clearly have differing views with you, E:peace. It's always civil, respectful, and sometimes humorous.
 
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