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[W:756]Why are Christian conservatives so unJesus like?

Elvira said:
That would be ok if we were a Christian nation...but we're not...
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The death penalty is barbaric, it has executed innocent people, it costs more and it doesn't reduce crime. Life without the possibility of parole is the proper answer when a person cannot be rehabilitated.
 
Lisa said:
The death penalty is barbaric, it has executed innocent people, it costs more and it doesn't reduce crime. Life without the possibility of parole is the proper answer when a person cannot be rehabilitated.
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Who am I to interfere with secular law? Jesus said his kingdom nor his followers are any part of this world...I am a Christian, who observes God's laws, regardless...no one can take that away from me...
 
Elvira said:
Who am I to interfere with secular law? Jesus said his kingdom nor his followers are any part of this world...I am a Christian, who observes God's laws, regardless...no one can take that away from me...
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Many Christians have tried to legislate their sect's religious views as secular law. We have seen this over and over in DOMA laws, abortion laws, blue laws, prayer in school, religious observance in government and many other areas. Preventing this from occurring and protecting the secular and religious rights of everyone else from religious tyranny is why we have the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment that creates a strict separation between church/religion and the state. The religious beliefs or rights of any religion or sect do not include trampling the religious or secular rights of others and forcing them to obey your beliefs.
 
Lisa said:
Many Christians have tried to legislate their sect's religious views as secular law. We have seen this over and over in DOMA laws, abortion laws, blue laws, prayer in school, religious observance in government and many other areas. Preventing this from occurring and protecting the secular and religious rights of everyone else from religious tyranny is why we have the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment that creates a strict separation between church/religion and the state. The religious beliefs or rights of any religion or sect do not include trampling the religious or secular rights of others and forcing them to obey your beliefs.
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ASSumptions...
 
Elvira said:
ASSumptions...
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I have 200 years of facts on my side, plus years before the crafting of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Religious belief is now and has always been abusive to logic and the rights of people.

A few thought by Tommy Jefferson on the Christian religion,
In 1817 he wrote to John Adams:

The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, Materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and preeminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained.
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for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
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in every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty. he is always in alliance with the Despot abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
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Diderot during the Franch Revolution,
Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
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Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advance one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
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Jefferson hated Calvinism,
"His [Calvin's] religion was demonism. If ever man worshiped a false God, he did. The being described in his five points is ... a demon of malignant spirit. It would be more pardonable to believe in no God at all, than to blaspheme him by the atrocious attributes of Calvin."
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Lisa said:
I have 200 years of facts on my side, plus years before the crafting of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Religious belief is now and has always been abusive to logic and the rights of people.

A few thought by Tommy Jefferson on the Christian religion,






Diderot during the Franch Revolution,




Jefferson hated Calvinism,
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Facts are not truth...
 
Elvira said:
Facts are not truth...
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Sigworthy.


Once again, you are very wrong. You are attempting to claim that facts do not align with your illogical brand of religious belief, but by doing so you just admitted that your beliefs aren't truthful to all but to just those who believe as you do.

Truth is most often used to mean being in accord with fact or reality, or fidelity to an original or standard. Truth is also sometimes defined in modern contexts as an idea of "truth to self", or authenticity.
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Lisa said:
Sigworthy.


Once again, you are very wrong. You are attempting to claim that facts do not align with your illogical brand of religious belief, but by doing so you just admitted that your beliefs aren't truthful to all but to just those who believe as you do.
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Once again, you are very wrong...true Christians are nothing like the ones you cite...Jesus knows it, I know it...Matthew 7:13:23
 
Elvira said:
Once again, you are very wrong...true Christians are nothing like the ones you cite...Jesus knows it, I know it...Matthew 7:13:23
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That is a No True Scotsman, a fallacy of purity because you do not get to decide what is or isn't Christian based on your beliefs.

Those phrases could apply to your brand of Christianity just as easily you are trying to say that they apply to everyone who doesn't agree with you.

If I was you I would stop digging, but you are certainly free to rent an excavator so you did your own grave even faster.

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Lisa said:
That is a No True Scotsman, a fallacy of purity because you do not get to decide what is or isn't Christian based on your beliefs.

Those phrases could apply to your brand of Christianity just as easily you are trying to say that they apply to everyone who doesn't agree with you.
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That is a lie...true Christians speak for themselves...those who follow Jesus' teachings...the Bible speaks for who is true and who is not...get with the program...
 
Elvira said:
That is a lie...true Christians speak for themselves...those who follow Jesus' teachings...the Bible speaks for who is true and who is not...get with the program...
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Do Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox get to decide that you aren't a Christian because your views differ from theirs?
 
Lisa said:
Do Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox get to decide that you aren't a Christian because your views differ from theirs?
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Do they follow Christ's teachings?
 
Christians are just pathetic almost as any other religion.

I mean they pray to 3 Gods ffs.
 
Elvira said:
Do they follow Christ's teachings?
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Yes, they do, even if they might be different interpretations that what you believe.
 
Lisa said:
Yes, they do, even if they might be different interpretations that what you believe.
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Wrong...hellfire, the trinity, no the immortal soul is supported in the Bible...neither is the clergy class, partaking in wars, partaking in politics, or idol worship...the list goes on...
 
Lisa said:
You should read your bible.

Matthew 5:38

Life without parole is the proper sentace for a crminal who cannot be rehabitated.
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I should read the Bible? You should read it.

Acts chapter 5: God takes the lives of Ananias and Sapphira just for lying.

And, in Romans 13, God gives government the right to enact capital punishment (or parole).
 
Logicman said:
I should read the Bible? You should read it.

Acts chapter 5: God takes the lives of Ananias and Sapphira just for lying.

And, in Romans 13, God gives government the right to enact capital punishment (or parole).
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Dammit. Every time I read your posts, it saddens me that you don't know the bible or the teachings of Christ.

Or history.

You should really stop fearing reading the bible.
 
Logicman said:
I should read the Bible? You should read it.

Acts chapter 5: God takes the lives of Ananias and Sapphira just for lying.

And, in Romans 13, God gives government the right to enact capital punishment (or parole).
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The 8th Amendment prohibits cruel or unusual punishment.
 
Logicman said:
I should read the Bible? You should read it.

Acts chapter 5: God takes the lives of Ananias and Sapphira just for lying.

And, in Romans 13, God gives government the right to enact capital punishment (or parole).
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I read that. What it looks like to make is a shakedown , not from God, but from God's followers. Very gang like behavior on the part of Peter and his cohorts
 
Elvira said:
Deeds are not what saves us...John 3:16; 17:3...
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"What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." - James 2:14-17
 
Lisa said:
The 8th Amendment prohibits cruel or unusual punishment.
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The Supreme Court hasn't outlawed it as cruel or unusual in a number of cases. So back to square one for you.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Dammit. Every time I read your posts, it saddens me that you don't know the bible or the teachings of Christ.

Or history.

You should really stop fearing reading the bible.
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Don't bother me with your nitwit postings.
 
RAMOSS said:
I read that. What it looks like to make is a shakedown , not from God, but from God's followers. Very gang like behavior on the part of Peter and his cohorts
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As usual, your theology is in the toilet.
 
Logicman said:
As usual, your theology is in the toilet.
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THen, theology is worthless. I am just reading it, and that's how it looks to me. You might like stories that make Peter and company look like shakedown artists, but, well, that is your right.
 
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