"One Free Miracle"

Individual said:

I'm not interested in hopping from one thread to another, so if you want me to engage you in the absurdity of this thread go and put an end to your "Proof of God" thread first.
Do you ever finish what you start?

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Angel said:

So your claim is empty? You cannot back it up?

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Individual said:

If you don't like it, I could care less, let others read your OP and make their own minds up.

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Angel said:

If I don't like what? What are you talking about? You made a claim and can't back it up. Are you asking me whether I like that?

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Individual said:

I'm not asking you anything in this thread, that is what I've been doing in your "Proof of God" thread.
In this thread I'm simply TELLING you how I view your OP. No justification on my part is necessary.
Feel free to accept or reject my view, it won't change my view regardless how much you wish to argue about it.
Kind of like your view of Gods existence, your mind is unchangeable about proof of gods existence just as my mind is unchangeable about your OP rant. Some may agree with you in one or both threads while others may agree with me in one or both threads. That is how beliefs work, primarily on thing which are beyond the ability of our proving to be be either true or false.

Now, be a good boy and return to the "Proof of God" thread and answer the question I've posed numerous times so that thread can be put to rest.

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Angel said:

No, you "be a good boy" and own your error.

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Angel said:

"One Free Miracle"

Scientism is the farfetched belief that science has all the answers, or will have all the answers eventually.
This is a fairy tale for adults, an adult fairy tale for those whose critical faculties have been stunted by miseducation.

As regards the human condition science has in point of fact provided no answers whatsoever.
None.
Indeed science, while it tells us a seeming lot about the world, has given us no insight into the World Riddle at all.

Science tells us nothing of importance to the existential condition of conscious life in a universe.

If you want to understand the human condition, if you seek insight into the World Riddle,
you'd do better to read poetry and literature, to listen to classical music, to open yourself up to the experience of great art.

Science offers no spiritual sustenance whatsoever.

And make no mistake: Spirit is what the human condition is all about.

Scientific naturalism, or Scientism Lite, as I like to call it, is "the view that only scientific knowledge is reliable and that science can, in principle, explain everything."

"Scientific naturalism is a view according to which all objects and events are part of nature, i.e. they belong to the world of space and time. Therefore everything, including the mental realm of human beings, is subject to scientific enquiry." (See links below)

The view that the existence of the universe, life on Earth, and consciousness are all to be accounted for in terms of natural causes, natural processes that natural science has already figured out or will over time figure out -- that the universe, life on Earth, and consciousness are all the products of Nature -- this view, scientific naturalism, is based on a common fallacy and a conflation of concepts, a confusion concerning the very object of belief.

Scientific naturalism, which is the philosophy behind full-blooded scientism, looks to Nature for the explanation of the universe, life, and consciousness.

But there's the rub.

Nature doesn't exist.

The scientific naturalist conflates two concepts:

"the nature of phenomena"

and

"the phenomena of nature"

The phenomena (plural of phenomenon) referred to in each case are all the workings of the physical world.
The physical world appears to have a nature, and the nature of the physical world is what science studies.
The physical world appears to have a nature, but nature ("Nature") -- an entity or principle or being of some sort -- nature does not exist.
"Nature" qua entity is a reification, a personification ("Mother Nature") of what is in the end merely the physical behavior of things.
And the upshot of conflating "the nature of phenomena" with "the phenomena of nature" is an incoherent view of reality.

That is scientific naturalism at bottom.

And that is the thesis of this thread.

We invite comment and good-faith engagement.​

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