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America, Western Europe in Desperate Need of a Religious Awakening.

TypicalRussian said:
Secular views bring down the tried and proven worked values of the western world

Look at what is happening today, since the decline of religion, degeneracy is widespread
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not sure what you mean by degeneracy

and acting some way purly because it gets you the results you want fits in fine with being secular

what values do you need a god for?
 
Peter King said:
What our free actions to not believe the nonsense you proclaim :lamo

And no, the problem is the ignorant nonsense that is the hallmark of religious extremists like you. I see that in religious fools as a whole, completely devoid of any sense or reality and reason. And yes, you are like a toddler who is not getting his wish and you throw a holier than thou "kill all the infidels/kill all the atheists" shtick.
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These personal attacks have nothing to do with the fact that atheists deny all personal responsibility. Why?
 
Peter King said:
Wrong, wronger, utterly and ridiculously totally wrong.

We do not oppose christianity, we oppose living in a theocracy where everybody has to bow down to the dictates of religious doctrines.
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You mean like atheist societies demand (but Christian societies do not)?
 
Mashmont said:
These personal attacks have nothing to do with the fact that atheists deny all personal responsibility. Why?
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More nonsense I see, I respond in kind to your ridiculous comments about "left wing people" and "atheists". If you cannot deal with being confronted with your own attitude, don't be so un-new testament like.
 
Mashmont said:
You mean like atheist societies demand (but Christian societies do not)?
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More fail pail material I see, atheists societies demand nothing of christians. No christian has ever been forced by a free democratic atheist country (if such a thing exists) to have abortions or to get married to someone of the same sex.

You are talking nonsense again.
 
Peter King said:
More fail pail material I see, atheists societies demand nothing of christians. No christian has ever been forced by a free democratic atheist country (if such a thing exists) to have abortions or to get married to someone of the same sex.

You are talking nonsense again.
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You don't think atheist regimes force Christians to do things, you aren't a serious person and not worth talking to.
 
Peter King said:
More nonsense I see, I respond in kind to your ridiculous comments about "left wing people" and "atheists". If you cannot deal with being confronted with your own attitude, don't be so un-new testament like.
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You don't only didn't confront my comments, you didn't even address them. So again, why do atheists deny all personal responsibility for their actions?
 
Mashmont said:
You don't only didn't confront my comments, you didn't even address them. So again, why do atheists deny all personal responsibility for their actions?
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What are you talking about? What actions?

I just know it took a lot of outrage from outside the Catholic Church to get them to do anything about their pedophilia crisis. Before that, it was just decades of sweeping it under the rug- what's been described as "omerta"- a term applied to the kind of silence seen in the Mafia with serious crimes.

"Rarely, if ever, has a Vatican official used the word “omerta” - a serious accusation in Italian — to compare the reluctance of some in the Church to come clean on the abuse scandal with the Mafia’s code of silence.

“Other enemies of the truth are the deliberate denial of known facts and the misplaced concern that the good name of the institution should somehow enjoy absolute priority to the detriment of disclosure,” Scicluna said.

Victims groups have for years accused some bishops in the Church of preferring silence and cover-up to coming clean on the scandal, which has sullied the image of the Church around the world, particularly in the United States."

Sexual abuse silence deadly for Church: Vatican official - Reuters
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Mashmont said:
You don't only didn't confront my comments, you didn't even address them. So again, why do atheists deny all personal responsibility for their actions?
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'Specifically', what actions do atheists not take'personal responsibility' for?
 
Logician Man said:
'Specifically', what actions do atheists not take'personal responsibility' for?
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Like when they say stuff like "Why is your god so cruel, he dooms people to hell"? Well, it's not God. People do it to themselves. They have the free will to decide their destiny. But atheists want to do what they want, then get all upset when someone points out there will be natural consequences.
 
Mashmont said:
Like when they say stuff like "Why is your god so cruel, he dooms people to hell"? Well, it's not God. People do it to themselves. They have the free will to decide their destiny. But atheists want to do what they want, then get all upset when someone points out there will be natural consequences.
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Please provide 'factual' evidence/links to support the multiple positive claims you just put forth in your post. Or are you just posting your personal 'opinion(s)'?
 
Mashmont said:
You don't think atheist regimes force Christians to do things, you aren't a serious person and not worth talking to.
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You seem to not be able to read properly, because I wrote:

free democratic atheist country
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But hey, you clearly you have a habit for writing things that are either nonsensical or total BS.
 
Mashmont said:
You don't only didn't confront my comments, you didn't even address them. So again, why do atheists deny all personal responsibility for their actions?
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We do take personal responsibility for our choices, we are atheists by choice. Not religious by indoctrination (which many are, not their fault but the fault of their parents/churches/faiths they belong too).

And I responded to your pity party about being "attacked" while I just did the exact thing you seem perfectly happy to do time and time again.
 
Peter King said:
You seem to not be able to read properly, because I wrote:



But hey, you clearly you have a habit for writing things that are either nonsensical or total BS.
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No such animal.
 
Mashmont said:
When will I learn not to engage those who do nothing but troll?
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You have an obligation to meet Burden of Proof for your positive claims. This is a debate forum. Not a forum to make unsubstantiated positive claims. Based of your inability/refusal to meet that B of P, all of the positive claims you put forth in your in your post above are dismissed. ( basic debating protocol 101 )
 
Mashmont said:
After 0bama won in 2012, I was so distraught, in total disbelief at how so many could vote against their self-interests. I was despondent over the blatant election day cheating that took place in so many urban districts, such as Philadelphia where 59 divisions gave 0bama 100% of the vote.
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This one has already been debunked. Each division has only a few hundred voters, and in some of those very liberal divisions, there are very few registered Republican voters. Also, the voting machines can't have votes removed from them. So it is impossible to remove Republican votes.
PolitiFact | Internet: Philly rigged the 2012 presidential election. Experts: Still no

I decided there was nothing I could do about it except pray to God. So for the next four years, every day, without missing a single day, I prayed the rosary and asked that America PLEASE be spared complete destruction which would have been the case had Hillary been elected. I knew America didn't deserve deliverance. After all, gay marriage and abortion were the laws of the land. But I just prayed and prayed to a compassionate God, that we might be spared anyway. God heard my prayers and those of millions of others, and America was spared.
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So Trump didn't win because he just did a better job in the race. He won because you prayed God had to help him out.

But this doesn't mean America learned its lessons and repented for its wrongs. Abortions are still here,
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The government shouldn't tell women what to do to their bodies any more than it can tell you to donate a kidney.

gay marriage is still here,
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What is wrong with that?

and now more people cohabit than marry.
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What is wrong with that?

So we didn't learn a damn thing from our 2016 reprieve. And now we have this virus. Slamming the most atheist regions: China, Western Europe, and Blue America. But it won't be enough to bring the sinners and/or the godless to their knees. It's going to take something much more severe. Maybe something on the order of the Bubonic Plague which killed between 30% and 60% of the European population.
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China actually didn't that many cases or deaths compared to many western nations now. Western nations have it bad because they have weak policies and because there is a lot of travel between them and China. Blue states were hit harder because they are more urban and have more foreign travel. But don't worry, covid is growing really fast in the bible belt.

Or it might take deep depression and wars -- like the 16 years America experienced during 1930's and early 40's--that created a new generation of spirituality. Priests and sisters were consecrated in unprecedented numbers in the 1940s and 50s. That was the heyday of the Catholic school system in America.
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Its a terrible idea for people to be life-long celibates. Its just unhealthy. And its unhealthy to use religion as a crutch.

The 1950s was universally recognized as a great decade. The family structure was intact, we had economic prosperity, and a solid leader in Eisenhower. The word "God" appeared on our currency. We were more of a Christian nation than we'd ever been, and it was forged through hardship. Sadly, America needs such hardship again. It's a shame that human nature is such that when things go easy and well, people get complacent and toss morality out the window. They decide they don't need God. Then the cycle repeats.
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What about all the racism in the 50s?

If things get irreparably immoral, God exacts the ultimate deserved punishment, which is total annihilation as happened to Sodom. Sodom became to depraved that God leveled it with fire as hot as that of the sun. An exploding meteor just above the city that destroyed and toxified the land so thoroughly, not even vegetation could grow there for 600 years.

Let's not be Sodom.
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We all know how genocidal your God is and how much he loves to kill little children. If he came to my house for a little visit, that would persuade me. Genocide is the worst way to get people's attention.

Let's decide right now that we will once again turn to God the way we should. Let's not wait for total destruction Let's take this virus as a stark reminder of how quickly things can turn. In May when the churches open again, I invite everyone here to start attending Christian services again. My Catholic Church always welcomes you at any time. Let's not make God resort to even greater punishment. Let's do it on our own--asking God's help along the way.
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Do you have any evidence your church is true?
 
Mashmont said:
Like when they say stuff like "Why is your god so cruel, he dooms people to hell"? Well, it's not God. People do it to themselves. They have the free will to decide their destiny. But atheists want to do what they want, then get all upset when someone points out there will be natural consequences.
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LOLOl

How can you say that.
The God dooms them to hell, and you blame the people.
Who sets the rules for God.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
LOLOl

How can you say that.
The God dooms them to hell, and you blame the people.
Who sets the rules for God.
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People have free will. If they do the right thing, they have eternal life. They choose not to. That's not God's fault.
 
Peter King said:
Well it just shows you know absolutely nothing about real politics, just the imaginary political world you made up.
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OK, give us a free society that has atheism as the state religion.
 
Mashmont said:
People have free will. If they do the right thing, they have eternal life. They choose not to. That's not God's fault.
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Why are you skipping around the rules, and blaming the people.
The people did not make the rules, God made the rules.

God condemns all to a fiery doom if they do not worship him.

It seems he is a paranoid, a sociopath, insecure, and you are blaming the people for his mental problems
 
Mashmont said:
OK, give us a free society that has atheism as the state religion.
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How can you possibly make atheism a religion.
There are no rules, no rituals,
10 atheists might believe 10 different things.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
How can you possibly make atheism a religion.
There are no rules, no rituals,
10 atheists might believe 10 different things.
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Kinda like the fake/pretend Christians do...:2razz:
 
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