Cleric blames gay marriage for coronavirus

tosca1 said:

Do your homework. Read the OP. Read the posts from the first two or three pages.

Here's the first hate-filled post. Despite the fact that the author of this thread tried to clarify (when he was called upon), posts #2 and 3.
This post below tries to get around it in order to draw in as much Christian bashing it can give.

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Actually that is not true, People who read my threads know I prefer Islam bashing to Christian bashing.
I just tossed in the Christian ones to level the playing field.


And BTW,, It seems the only "hate-filled posts", are coming from you.

Your hatred is evident by the fact, I am not bashing any religion,
But rather the nutters in positions of authority who make claims their religion is responsible for the natural and
human caused, supposed Ill's of the world.

You posted numerous hate filled posts at everyone who you think mistakenly bashes your favorite religion.
You still did not make your stand clear on the nutters who the post is about.

Do you agree or disagree with them.

Yasureoktoo said:

This is easy to understand
We had another cleric blame earthquakes on promiscuous women

We also had Christian religious leaders here blame the hurricane on anti religious stuff.

Ain't religion grand.

“Iraqi Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr says gay marriage caused coronavirus,” by Yaghoub Fazeli, Al Arabiya, March 28, 2020:

Iraqi Shia political leader Muqtada al-Sadr blamed the legalization of same-sex marriage for causing the coronavirus pandemic.

“One of the most appalling things that have caused this epidemic is the legalization of same-sex marriage,” al-Sadr said in a post on his Twitter account on Saturday.

“Hence, I call on all governments to repeal this law immediately and without any hesitation,” he added.

Followers of al-Sadr were criticized after hundreds congregated inside a mosque and chanted “coronavirus has terrified you,” despite government measures imposed to stop the spread of the outbreak….

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This "Shia cleric" is an ideological lunatic and complete moron, not much else needs to be said.

roguenuke said:

Sodom was not full of homosexuals, nor was it condemned for homosexual acts. It was condemned, according to the story, but likely just an act of nature, nothing more, because of sexual promiscuity and lack of charity towards strangers.

You have no real evidence of anything in Sodom or Gomorrah. You have stories, likely written down well after the fact.

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You need to read that account again...God had already decided to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah long before the mention of lack of charity towards strangers, which the destruction had nothing to do with and everything to do with their sexual acts...

"Now the men of Sodʹom were wicked, gross sinners against Jehovah."Genesis 13:13

"Then Jehovah said: “The outcry against Sodʹom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Then the men left from there and went toward Sodʹom" Genesis 18:20-22

"In the same manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them also gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires; they are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire." Jude 7

OrphanSlug said:

This "Shia cleric" is an ideological lunatic and complete moron, not much else needs to be said.

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Very true, we should pay no attention to religious nutters.

Yasureoktoo said:

This is easy to understand
We had another cleric blame earthquakes on promiscuous women

We also had Christian religious leaders here blame the hurricane on anti religious stuff.

Ain't religion grand.

“Iraqi Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr says gay marriage caused coronavirus,” by Yaghoub Fazeli, Al Arabiya, March 28, 2020:

Iraqi Shia political leader Muqtada al-Sadr blamed the legalization of same-sex marriage for causing the coronavirus pandemic.

“One of the most appalling things that have caused this epidemic is the legalization of same-sex marriage,” al-Sadr said in a post on his Twitter account on Saturday.

“Hence, I call on all governments to repeal this law immediately and without any hesitation,” he added.

Followers of al-Sadr were criticized after hundreds congregated inside a mosque and chanted “coronavirus has terrified you,” despite government measures imposed to stop the spread of the outbreak….

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The abomination of hypocrisy is even worse.

roguenuke said:

And Trump doesn't attack anyone? Pretty sure he attacks the media, Dems, and any Republicans who dont agree with him, if not daily, at least weekly.

And he says stupid things all the time.

No one is immune to saying stupid things. But believing stupid things and trying to convince others of them is worth speaking out against.

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Do you understand this?



Leaders - of all stripes -

are not immuned to say

stupid things.

Peter King said:

I am not a Dawkins atheist, the first time I heard of Dawkins was when he was on South Park, I had no interest in reading his stuff/finding out what he writes. I am not interest in people who want to justify their atheism. Just like I am not interested for people to justify their religion. You are an atheist or you are not and you are an (for example) christian or not.

I have had this discussion with other people, I am not interested in trying to deny people saying they believe in god, or that they believe in the bible as a religious book. My problem is when someone says it is a history book, that too me is untrue, it is a book of faith.

A Dutch theologian, of whom I am not adverse to listening to him speak , says the texts of the bible should not be seen as a historical reference but a book of wise lessons and inspiration, a book to celebrate your own faith, not a source to denounce/attack others.

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I'm not saying you are a Dawkins atheist.


I'm saying......


Leaders - of all stripes -

are not immuned

to say stupid things.

I have had this discussion with other people, I am not interested in trying to deny people saying they believe in god, or that they believe in the bible as a religious book. My problem is when someone says it is a history book, that too me is untrue, it is a book of faith.

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Yep. If it's a "problem" to you - then, you're the one with a problem, right?

The problem is not on the person claiming that it's a history book. It's with you!
You may not agree with his claim - but that's his opinion. :shrug:

If they say Exodus did happen - how is that causing you any problem? :lol:


I mean....unless you're being forced to go along with them - I don't understand why it would be a "problem" to you that people believe
it's a history book.

Of course, you're entitled to claim it is your problem. If that's how you regard it - that's your choice, and your right.
That, too, is an expression of opinion.





Some posters on this thread has a problem with religious people saying this is a punishment from God.


Well, if they don't believe it - let alone they don't believe that God exists - why are they getting so triggered -

and going ballistics by those comment?



To say such senseless reaction is sheer stupidity, would be an understatement.

tosca1 said:

You may not agree with his claim - but that's his opinion. :shrug:

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The "problem" is religious folks that think like that tend to want to make laws BASED on that "opinion" and force everyone else to obey that "opinion". Those types of folks also tend to not portray their "opinion" as faith but instead "FACT". Sorry but if someone tells me the color blue is in fact the color yellow and everyone else needs to believe that the color of blue is yellow, they will be corrected.

If they say Exodus did happen - how is that causing you any problem? :lol:

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That alone doesn't cause any problem. However, if federal funding is removed from an organization that goes against religious views and the reason given is that "history book" there is an issue. Again, you are missing the fact that belief isn't the problem. Forcing everyone else to obey that "history book" is the problem. Actions, not beliefs are the issue that I take up with religion.

tosca1 said:

I'm not saying you are a Dawkins atheist.


I'm saying......


Leaders - of all stripes -

are not immuned

to say stupid things.








Yep. If it's a "problem" to you - then, you're the one with a problem, right?

The problem is not on the person claiming that it's a history book. It's with you!
You may not agree with his claim - but that's his opinion. :shrug:

If they say Exodus did happen - how is that causing you any problem? :lol:

I mean....unless you're being force to go along with them - I don't understand why it would be a "problem" to you that people believe it's a history book. Of course, you're entitled to claim it is your problem. If that's how you regard it - that's your choice, and your right.

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I have EXCELLENT EYESIGHT so there is NO need to USE HUGE sizes

There is zero problem that people believe/have faith that it is a historical book, the issue is that some religious people (not all by far) want the rest of us who do not believe this to accept their religious believes that it is a factual historical empirically proven book. I do not believe there is independently sourced evidence to claim this is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Are there some historical events in the bible, most likely, but this does not make it a history book of the world. But again, people are free to agree or completely disagree.

Yasureoktoo said:

Actually that is not true, People who read my threads know I prefer Islam bashing to Christian bashing.
I just tossed in the Christian ones to level the playing field.


And BTW,, It seems the only "hate-filled posts", are coming from you.

Your hatred is evident by the fact, I am not bashing any religion,
But rather the nutters in positions of authority who make claims their religion is responsible for the natural and
human caused, supposed Ill's of the world.

You posted numerous hate filled posts at everyone who you think mistakenly bashes your favorite religion.
You still did not make your stand clear on the nutters who the post is about.

Do you agree or disagree with them.

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Well, I don't care what group you prefer to bash. I'm reacting to this thread - and some of the posters that are triggered by it! :lol:


Read my response to Peter. Post #82.

Peter King said:

I have EXCELLENT EYESIGHT so there is NO need to USE HUGE sizes

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I love using huge sizes. And colored ones, too. Oh.....and emojis. So, there.

There is zero problem that people believe/have faith that it is a historical book, the issue is that some religious people (not all by far) want the rest of us who do not believe this to accept their religious believes that it is a factual historical empirically proven book.

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Are you living in Iran? Or any same kind of regime?


Lol. So, they want you to accept their religious belief......where's the problem?
Are you being put on a rack? :mrgreen:

Have they gagged you so you can't refuse and say no?
Tied you down so you're a captive audience to their preaching and brainwashing?

Forgive me....but that sounds more like childish drama coming from a kid!



If you're in a democracy - it doesn't matter what they want, right? It's about choices.
Gee.....you sound like commercials on tv are alien to you. Same principle!

I do not believe there is independently sourced evidence to claim this is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Are there some historical events in the bible, most likely, but this does not make it a history book of the world. But again, people are free to agree or completely disagree.

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I'm not going to discuss that on this thread. It's irrelevant whether there are evidences or not.
A person's belief and opinion is his own - it's his right.......if he lives in a democracy.

"A evangelical pastor who runs a Bible Study attended by several members of the Trump administration‘s cabinet has implied that homosexuality could be one of the causes of the coronavirus epidemic in the US.

In a blog post “Is God Judging America Today?”, Ralph Drollinger wrote that “America is experiencing the consequential wrath of God” — that is, the inevitable punishment for violating Biblical precepts on godly behaviour.

A detailed theological argument distinguishing between different types of wrath, the post concludes that “those individuals who are rebuked by God’s forsaking wrath are largely responsible for God’s consequential wrath on our nation”.

The forsaken include gays and lesbians, “given over” as they are by God to “degrading passions”, as well as environmentalists, since “clearly indicative of God’s forsaking wrath is when the abandoned serve the creature rather than the creator”.

Among the cabinet’s “sponsors” of Mr Drollinger and his regular Bible Study are education secretary Betsy DeVos, secretary of state Mike Pompeo, and housing and urban development secretary Ben Carson."

anybody?

"A conservative pastor in Tennessee is telling his supporters that marriage equality is to blame for coronavirus.

Pastor Perry Stone made the comments in a prayer service at his church in Cleveland, Tenn., earlier this week, Right Wing Watch reports.

COVID-19 — which has infected at least 15,000 Americans and caused more than 200 deaths — is a “reckoning” from God for marriage equality and abortion, Stone said.

“If this is a moment of reckoning, and I know it is; I know what I heard, I did not make that up,” Stone claimed. “I audibly heard the phrase, a male voice speaking, and I believe it was the Holy Spirit.”

Stone claimed that the reckoning is “[because] we have by law forced God out of our country and basically told him, ‘In public places, you’re not welcome.’”

In addition to lamenting the lack of prayer and Bible reading in public schools and saying women who are pro-choice “have a spirit about them where there is no love,” Stone told the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, adding that the Bible “talks about going after ‘strange flesh.'”

Stone said that, with the legalization same-sex marriage nationwide in 2015, marriage had been “changed into something we have never known,” calling it an “abomination.”

“There is a reckoning because the courts of the land passed a law to take an infant’s life, that it was OK, and for marriage as we have known it to be changed into something we have never known,” he said. “Both of their laws, biblically in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, are what God calls an abomination. And the Bible teaches us that God is long-suffering, he is not willing that any perish, he wants everyone to come to repentance, but there will be a time when the Lord says, ‘Enough is enough.’”

Stone is the latest conservative figure to pin the blame for COVID-19 on gay people. Earlier this week, a guest host on The Rush Limbaugh Show said gay people are the reason San Francisco was placed on lockdown.

Conservative author Mark Steyn said the city’s mayor didn’t want “all the gays dropping dead” in a “big gay apocalypse,” and said gay people are “the ones with all the compromised immune systems from all the protease inhibitors and all the other stuff.”

Last week, an Orthodox rabbi in Israel and an American pastor both claimed that coronavirus was divine punishment for allowing LGBTQ people to exist.

And in January, a right-wing pastor and broadcaster who was granted press credentials by the White House claimed that coronavirus was sent by God to “purge” LGBTQ people.

Rick Wiles, founder of Christian website TruNews, suggested that the spread of COVID-19 is a plague from God to “purge a lot of sin off this planet,” and called LGBTQ people “vile” and “disgusting.”"

Praxas said:

The "problem" is religious folks that think like that tend to want to make laws BASED on that "opinion" and force everyone else to obey that "opinion". Those types of folks also tend to not portray their "opinion" as faith but instead "FACT". Sorry but if someone tells me the color blue is in fact the color yellow and everyone else needs to believe that the color of blue is yellow, they will be corrected.



That alone doesn't cause any problem. However, if federal funding is removed from an organization that goes against religious views and the reason given is that "history book" there is an issue. Again, you are missing the fact that belief isn't the problem. Forcing everyone else to obey that "history book" is the problem. Actions, not beliefs are the issue that I take up with religion.

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It's not a problem. If you live in a democracy - that's the system!



Religious people have as much right to vote for those who share their values -

the same way that you have the right to choose candidates that share yours.



That's just the way it is.
You don't want that system? Then - vote for someone who'd campaign to change it. :shrug:

tosca1 said:

Well, I don't care what group you prefer to bash. I'm reacting to this thread - and some of the posters that are triggered by it! :lol:


Read my response to Peter. Post #82.

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Only those who run around with their hair on fire...:roll:

tosca1 said:

It's not a problem. If you live in a democracy - that's the system!


Religious people have as much right to vote for those who share their values -

the same way that you have the right to choose candidates that share yours. [/B]

That's just the way it is.
You don't want that system? Then - vote for someone who'd campaign to change it. :shrug:

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And that is why you guys get ridiculed because you think you have the right to make everyone else believe and follow your religious nut job values. Thank you for proving me 100% correct AND I didn't even have to make different size and color of font to prove you wrong.

tosca1 said:

Well, I don't care what group you prefer to bash. I'm reacting to this thread - and some of the posters that are triggered by it! :lol:


Read my response to Peter. Post #82.

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Same Jibberish as all your posts.

Nothing to do with the subject, just hating on people who don't share your personal values.

Praxas said:

And that is why you guys get ridiculed because you think you have the right to make everyone else believe and follow your religious nut job values. Thank you for proving me 100% correct AND I didn't even have to make different size and color of font to prove you wrong.

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Of course we have the right to spread the Word and preach the Gospel. You don't have to listen if you don't wanna. :lol:

That's why I'm saying that some of you guys here are the ones with a problem when you can't even bring yourselves
to exercise your rights to ignore the preachings you don't like!

What more.................

.................you're the ones losing your cool and foaming over what some people say - whom you consider "nutters" in the first place -
about a God you don't believe to exist anyway! Who's the real nutter here? :mrgreen:

tosca1 said:

Of course we have the right to spread the Word and preach the Gospel.

That's why I'm saying that some of you guys here are the ones with a problem when you can't even bring yourselves to exercise your rights to ignore the preachings!

What more, you're the ones losing your cool and foaming over what some people - whom you consider "nutters" in the first place - about a God you don't believe to exist anyway! Who's the real nutter here? :mrgreen:

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There's a difference in spreading the word and forcing others to follow your beliefs via laws. That is what you don't comprehend and never will. I already told you, I don't care about your beliefs, I care that you are wanting to force your beliefs on others and force them to follow your beliefs.

Praxas said:

There's a difference in spreading the word and forcing others to follow your beliefs via laws. That is what you don't comprehend and never will. I already told you, I don't care about your beliefs, I care that you are wanting to force your beliefs on others and force them to follow your beliefs.

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Try to change the system, if you don't like it! :shrug:

Boooooo-hoooooo-hooooo.

tosca1 said:

Try to change the system, if you don't like it! :shrug:

Boooooo-hoooooo-hooooo.

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And yet again, you just continue to prove me 100% correct that it isn't the word you want to spread, you want to force your beliefs on others. This is the true goal of religious nutters, to force others into following their make believe sky fairy.

This is why your religions are ridiculed and called out for what it is, make believe and nothing more. I am comforted by the fact that the number of TRUE followers of nutter religions continues to decrease each year.

so next time someone calls a religious nutter a nutjob, don't come here to complain about it because we know your only goal is to force your belief on others.

Boo-hooo if someone makes fun of your religion, you'll get no sympathy here except from other religious nutjobs.

tosca1 said:

Of course we have the right to spread the Word and preach the Gospel. You don't have to listen if you don't wanna. :lol:

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Except this thread has nothing to do with spreading any word.
You are just forcing your religious belief's down others throats.

tosca1 said:

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Do you understand this?



Leaders - of all stripes -

are not immuned to say

stupid things.

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Yet then you went off on only Dems.

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tosca1 said:

It's not a problem. If you live in a democracy - that's the system!



Religious people have as much right to vote for those who share their values -

the same way that you have the right to choose candidates that share yours.



That's just the way it is.
You don't want that system? Then - vote for someone who'd campaign to change it. :shrug:

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No they actually dont have a right to impose their religious beliefs, purely being religious in nature, upon others, violating their rights, simply due to their religious beliefs. We do not live in a pure democracy for several reasons, for that very reason being pretty high at the list. Their preferred candidates can bluster whatever they want, but our Constitution limits them.

It would require a constitutional amendment to make that the case in the US.

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