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Challenge to Atheists

Elvira said:
You do realize the flaws are in the translation, not the content...
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I was just asking which one.

But since you brought it up, can you point me to the perfect original copies that were translated?
 
distraff said:
So King George III, Hitler, Stalin, Mao rule by the toleration and permission of God?



Romans 13
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.



If there are verse that contradicts Romans, then that only shows a biblical contradiction, which is an error.
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Yes, Jehovah God has allowed it...

" the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" 1 John 5:19

Christians must obey God as ruler, rather than man, when man's law interferes with God's...

“We must obey God as ruler rather than men." Acts 5:29
 
CLAX1911 said:
Yeah everyone who flunks at arguing says the same exact thing.
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You make vague evasive replies and then try to move the goalposts and/or ad hominoms when you are proven wrong. Your behavior is very predictable.
 
roughdraft274 said:
I was just asking which one.

But since you brought it up, can you point me to the perfect original copies that were translated?
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Any translation that uses the original Hebrew and Greek languages to translate into English...
 
Elvira said:
Yes, Jehovah God has allowed it...

" the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" 1 John 5:19

Christians must obey God as ruler, rather than man, when man's law interferes with God's...

“We must obey God as ruler rather than men." Acts 5:29
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If these verses contradicts Romans, then that is a biblical contradiction, and that works fine for me as an example.
 
distraff said:
So King George III, Hitler, Stalin, Mao rule by the toleration and permission of God?



Romans 13
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.



If there is verse that contradicts Romans, then that only shows a biblical contradiction, which is an error.
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The Bible or any other religious book is not the infallible word of god. They are the words of mortal man, despite what religious believers attempt to claim.

God created the coronavirus or he refuses to answer the prayers of those who are sick to cure them and allow a vaccine to be created. He cannot possibly be powerful enough to create the universe and then be outsmarted by a virus. Why people would choose to pray to a person who acts in that manner and claim that he is loving is beyond me.
 
distraff said:
If these verses contradicts Romans, then that is a biblical contradiction, and that works fine for me as an example.
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No, it is not, the subjection to man's law is relative to God's subjection for Christians...the Bible makes that plain and clear...
 
Elvira said:
No, it is not, the subjection to man's law is relative to God's subjection for Christians...the Bible makes that plain and clear...
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I don't know what you mean here.
 
Lisa said:
You make vague evasive replies and then try to move the goalposts and/or ad hominoms when you are proven wrong. Your behavior is very predictable.
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so you switch from having the discussion about the subject to having the discussion about me.

This is typical of someone who has lost the argument.

this statement I said wasn't vague or evasive that's just something you say when you can't argue.
 
distraff said:
I don't know what you mean here.
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Christians are in subjection to man's law, until and if it interferes with God's law...then God's law takes precedence...
 
Elvira said:
Christians are in subjection to man's law, until and if it interferes with God's law...then God's law takes precedence...
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I hope you don't really mean that.

Islam considers "Gods Law", ( Sharia) more powerful, and valid, than mans law.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I hope you don't really mean that.

Islam considers "Gods Law", ( Sharia) more powerful, and valid, than mans law.
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I am a Christian...the laws I abide by are...‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind' and ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself'...what problem do you see with that?
 
Elvira said:
Christians are in subjection to man's law, until and if it interferes with God's law...then God's law takes precedence...
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The bible doesn't actually say in that verse that we should obey the government. But it does say that we shouldn't revolt against the government and that we should submit to it (verses below). So if the government says tells you to burn your bibles, you don't have to obey them, but you shouldn't revolt or attempt to overthrow the government. You can do a pacifist thing like Ghandi or Martin Luther King.

Romans 13:
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
 
CLAX1911 said:
so you switch from having the discussion about the subject to having the discussion about me.

This is typical of someone who has lost the argument.

this statement I said wasn't vague or evasive that's just something you say when you can't argue.
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I didn't lose anything. I asked you a question in #241 that you continue to refuse to answer in a coherant manner.
 
Elvira said:
You do realize the flaws are in the translation, not the content...
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How do you know that? Let's see you provide the origianal autographs, and using your extensive knowledge of hebrew, show that your claim is true?
 
distraff said:
The bible doesn't actually say in that verse that we should obey the government. But it does say that we shouldn't revolt against the government and that we should submit to it (verses below). So if the government says tells you to burn your bibles, you don't have to obey them, but you shouldn't revolt or attempt to overthrow the government. You can do a pacifist thing like Ghandi or Martin Luther King.

Romans 13:
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
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Agreed...
 
Lisa said:
I didn't lose anything. I asked you a question in #241 that you continue to refuse to answer in a coherant manner.
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You started talking about me and left the subject that means you abandoned the subject to talk about me.
 
Elvira said:
Agreed...
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Problem is, that by this logic the American Revolution was wrong, the underground resistance movements against Hitler was wrong, and basically every revolution that overthrew a brutal dictator was wrong. And that just doesn't make any sense. Thats my whole point. The bible commands submitting to your government, not revolting, and paying your taxes.
 
Elvira said:
Any translation that uses the original Hebrew and Greek languages to translate into English...
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Not so. There are a number of books that did that, and the translation is fraught with errors.
 
TypicalRussian said:
That did not prove anything
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Of course you may just say so.

But the Bable story proved that the Bible is totally wrong there - and so probably in lots of other cases as well.
 
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