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Biblical Language in relation to Science

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Introduction video:YouTube(comment section is really good as well as video, where I get main point)

Some atheists like to debunk the Bible by claiming it promotes wrong science but this claim is fabricated and big lie. First, let's understand some of the speech and figurative language used in the Bible,this is a perfect example

Pslam 121:8-God watches over us from above!

This means that God is also in control which also says that we shouldn't fear God which alludes themes of Excitement AND power. These are the deeper meanings of the philosophy of words that we see present in The Bible.

But here is my main point

God: In the beginning, I created a vast 8-dimensional network sustaining loop quantum gravity on a B-theory of time wherein gravity is united with the electromagnetic and weak and strong force, allowing for the emergence of particle-like wave functions in the form of up down charm and strange quarks, electrons, W bosoms, moons, neutrinos, and anti-configurations for each one, and when they were all compressed into a space smaller than the radius of a proton, I created slightly fewer anti-wave-particles which were in a highly ordered state 14 billion years ago allowing no photons to escape until I said "let there be light", and then they started rapid expansion where the periodic table was formed, containing atoms identified by the number of up up down quark trios they contain, and called protons, and from that follows a certain set of stable isotopes defined by the number of down down up quark trios called neutrons, and the quantum wave function shows that electrons group around these atoms first as a sphere then as a bigger sphere followed three perpendicular pairs of void spheres with a node at the center and the outer spheres receive electromagnetic shielding from the inner sphere so that it packs more tightly around the atom oh yeah and the Pauli exclusion principle means two electrons can share the same shell as long as it's in the opposite spin orientation but only after one electron is already occupying each of the available energy shells about the nucleus...

What ancient person has the need or tools to prove this????

So who cares what the Ancient authors believe about the flat dome and other stuff, these people are concerned over basic truths of God and survival

Let's take Proverbs 23:16 as a last example

Yea, my reins shall rejoice, when thy lips speak right things.

Obviously, these people thought that emotions come from the inner body inside of them rather than what is scientifically proven where emotions come from, but the point is not proving some scientific concept but rather saying that you should say the right thing as be morally pure
 
The chronology and primitive assumptions within Genesis 1:1-17 are supporting evidence for the atheist position.

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The chronology and primitive assumptions within Genesis 1:1-17 are supporting evidence for the atheist position.

/thread

Not true, days are any lenghth of time

As well as what ancient person would care?
 
Not true, days are any lenghth of time

As well as what ancient person would care?

Genesis, the first version, has the order of life appearing in the wrong order.

Many many plants and animals are so inter-related that they cannot live witout each other. Every fruiting fig tree has fruit flies in it. Or it cannot fruit. No fig tree can exist and reproduce without these fruit flies. Fig trees, many many species of them, cannot of existed for millions of years before insects.

There has never been a world flood as per the Bible.

Get over these things or look stupid.
 
Genesis, the first version, has the order of life appearing in the wrong order.

Many many plants and animals are so inter-related that they cannot live witout each other. Every fruiting fig tree has fruit flies in it. Or it cannot fruit. No fig tree can exist and reproduce without these fruit flies. Fig trees, many many species of them, cannot of existed for millions of years before insects.

There has never been a world flood as per the Bible.

Get over these things or look stupid.

You are not making any sense, it is worth noting that the earth was not completely covered for the entire Flood year. The longest possible amount of time that seeds/plants would have been in or under water, without any contact with land, is 278 days
 
What ancient person has the need or tools to prove this????

Good, I have a solution here - if God wants us to believe, why does not God come down and update the Bible for us with something more modern so we don't have to rely on YOUR interpretation of it.
 
Genesis, the first version, has the order of life appearing in the wrong order.

Many many plants and animals are so inter-related that they cannot live witout each other. Every fruiting fig tree has fruit flies in it. Or it cannot fruit. No fig tree can exist and reproduce without these fruit flies. Fig trees, many many species of them, cannot of existed for millions of years before insects.

There has never been a world flood as per the Bible.

Get over these things or look stupid.

Cannot is not in Jehovah God's vocabulary...if He says it happened or it will happen, you can count on it...

"for no declaration will be impossible for God.” Luke 1:37

The Greek word rheʹma, rendered “declaration,” can refer to “a word; a saying; a declaration.” Or it can refer to “a thing; the thing spoken of,” whether an event, an action described, or the result of what has been declared. Although the Greek text could be rendered in different ways, the overall meaning remains the same, namely, that nothing is impossible as far as God is concerned or with respect to any of his promises.

Luke Study Notes—Chapter 1 — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
Not true, days are any lenghth of time

That's not what I meant. Note the chronology of what was done and when it was done.

As well as what ancient person would care?

I know damn well the ancients did not care about accuracy, or even possessed the skills to determine what was accurate or not, but they're not the individuals blathering on about the infallibility of the texts when clearly much of it is more full of crap than a Christmas goose
 
That's not what I meant. Note the chronology of what was done and when it was done.



I know damn well the ancients did not care about accuracy, or even possessed the skills to determine what was accurate or not, but they're not the individuals blathering on about the infallibility of the texts when clearly much of it is more full of crap than a Christmas goose

You claimed that Genesis was wrong with the wrong intent
 
Good, I have a solution here - if God wants us to believe, why does not God come down and update the Bible for us with something more modern so we don't have to rely on YOUR interpretation of it.

Where is the need for that?

everything was ended in the NT
 
Where is the need for that?

everything was ended in the NT

Your whole OP is about how ancient people did not need to understand much and it required "figurative language" that would suffice for their level of understanding of the world. So, now that it's causing all this confusion and contradictions with known science, perhaps God can update things for us, so we actually believe in (new) Bible, and don't have use you as translator of what you think he meant by this supposedly "figurative language".
 
Your whole OP is about how ancient people did not need to understand much and it required "figurative language" that would suffice for their level of understanding of the world. So, now that it's causing all this confusion and contradictions with known science, perhaps God can update things for us, so we actually believe in (new) Bible, and don't have use you as translator of what you think he meant by this supposedly "figurative language".



God has faith in His creation to decipher what is truth and what is false...the ball is in your court...
 
Your whole OP is about how ancient people did not need to understand much and it required "figurative language" that would suffice for their level of understanding of the world. So, now that it's causing all this confusion and contradictions with known science, perhaps God can update things for us, so we actually believe in (new) Bible, and don't have use you as translator of what you think he meant by this supposedly "figurative language".

But these thing aren't for science, name any verse that's supposedly about science

The point of the verse is to NEVER make a scientific claim but to explain a religious truth

Therefore, no need
 
You claimed that Genesis was wrong

Yes, it is.

with the wrong intent

I said nothing about 'intent'- you did. Atheists claim the texts are specious and you claim that atheists say it promotes wrong science-a claim I personally find ridiculous and all of your own invention.
How can an anthology of primitive religious texts 'promote wrong science'? It's absurd, for any reference to cosmology or the creation of life is purely mythological, and can hardly be considered 'scientific', even if deemed right or wrong. There were no witnesses to record these events and they are simply stories from prehistory. Now, Young Earth Creationists promote false science and they use the Bible as a source, however, the Bible itself does not promote science on any level.
 
God has faith in His creation to decipher what is truth and what is false...the ball is in your court...

Clearly, his faith is misplaced since only a small minority of His creation deciphered the truth.

But these thing aren't for science, name any verse that's supposedly about science

The point of the verse is to NEVER make a scientific claim but to explain a religious truth

Therefore, no need

You are not making any sense. I never said "these things" are for science. Your OP is saying God was speaking at the level of ancient people and so we should just accept your interpretation of what he meant. Instead, it would be much easier for Him to give us an update at the level of modern people.
 
You are not making any sense, it is worth noting that the earth was not completely covered for the entire Flood year. The longest possible amount of time that seeds/plants would have been in or under water, without any contact with land, is 278 days

There has never been a world flood. The errosion and deposition of such an event would be utterly impossible to avoid seeing in every single river valley in the world.

Get over it. There has never been a world flood.

The ice caps would have floated off and melted. We would not be able to get hundreds of thousand year old samples out of ice cores if there had ever been a world flood. The sediments of the sea would show the event whee all the terrestrial soils were washed away and deposited into the ocean. The peat deposits 10 miles away from me in Sheffield are 10,000 years old, they have been building up since then. The soil below the peat has tree stumps cut down by stone axes by the first farmers in Britian. The soil is thin. it built up from wind blown deposits off the retreating ice sheet. The ice sheet has scared the rock beneath the ancient soil. That rock is grit stone, a form of sand stone, this was deposited by water many millions of years ago. There has never been a world flood.

Get over it.
 

There has never been a world flood. The errosion and deposition of such an event would be utterly impossible to avoid seeing in every single river valley in the world.

Get over it. There has never been a world flood.

The ice caps would have floated off and melted. We would not be able to get hundreds of thousand year old samples out of ice cores if there had ever been a world flood. The sediments of the sea would show the event whee all the terrestrial soils were washed away and deposited into the ocean. The peat deposits 10 miles away from me in Sheffield are 10,000 years old, they have been building up since then. The soil below the peat has tree stumps cut down by stone axes by the first farmers in Britian. The soil is thin. it built up from wind blown deposits off the retreating ice sheet. The ice sheet has scared the rock beneath the ancient soil. That rock is grit stone, a form of sand stone, this was deposited by water many millions of years ago. There has never been a world flood.

Get over it.

Presenting scientific facts to him is a waste of time.
 
Introduction video:YouTube(comment section is really good as well as video, where I get main point)

Some atheists like to debunk the Bible by claiming it promotes wrong science but this claim is fabricated and big lie.

If that's true, then Christian scholars should have been touting what modern science has discovered since the inception of the bible. Can you please provide links to where Christian scholars are discussing the makeup of the atom, the four fundamental forces, tectonic plates, gravitational theory, etc.?

Because the bible says the earth is flat, and that space is water. Did you know that those are both wrong?
 
If that's true, then Christian scholars should have been touting what modern science has discovered since the inception of the bible. Can you please provide links to where Christian scholars are discussing the makeup of the atom, the four fundamental forces, tectonic plates, gravitational theory, etc.?

Because the bible says the earth is flat, and that space is water. Did you know that those are both wrong?

Do you know that the Bible does not say either of those things?
 
If that's true, then Christian scholars should have been touting what modern science has discovered since the inception of the bible. Can you please provide links to where Christian scholars are discussing the makeup of the atom, the four fundamental forces, tectonic plates, gravitational theory, etc.?

Because the bible says the earth is flat, and that space is water. Did you know that those are both wrong?

The Bible is repeating what some ancient thinks, not what is true, but quote the verse and I will prove that i the intent is different
 
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