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Occam's Razor - Discussion

gdgyva said:
believing is one thing....proving it is another

and we dont throw presidents out of office for things we "might believe are true"

proof good sir....that is what matters in this country

nothing less, nothing more
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Horsecrap. Did you see the recent story about the woman who had over a hundred thousand dollars seized from her because the authorities thought it was drug money. She had to then prove it wasn't. Innocent until proven guilty my arse.
 
btthegreat said:
How about a little of both, a mostly simple solution that also makes a lot of people most comfortable for that soft landing.
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It is a conundrum when someone is dealing with overwhelming grief.
 
Dragonfly said:
NO TRUMP!!!

NO POLITICS!!!

Please!!!

Not in this thread.
Not in this section of DP.

Most assuredly not less than 5 posts in!!!!

Thank you.
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Sorry. I was only responding to the poster's ideas.

Must have thought I was at family holiday meal. ;)
 
Dragonfly said:
What Ockham himself did or didn't do with it doesn't really matter.

If you feel it can't apply to religion in any way that's fine.
Other's might feel different.

I've seen it applied, and heard people apply it to religion.
So here we are.
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I stand corrected. One of the many things i like about this forum is that I can learn things. I never new that ol' Ockham was a Franciscan.

Occam's razor - Wikipedia
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The idea is attributed to English Franciscan friar William of Ockham (c. 1287–1347), a scholastic philosopher and theologian who used a preference for simplicity to defend the idea of divine miracles.

It is sometimes paraphrased by a statement like "the simplest solution is most likely the right one".
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Apparently, this Razor was invented for exactly this consideration.

Still, though, if the matter considered is one of faith, then the idea of a simple solution or any solution to explain or to examine veracity seems to run counter to the idea of faith.

If you have faith, you don't need proof. If you have proof, you don't need faith.

The two methods to accept stuff seem to to run counter to one another. Of course, if you have both, you have a pretty rock solid base from which to proceed.

Regarding the two examples you presented in the OP, these sound more like examples of "Stuff Happens" than of evidence of divine grace or malevolence.

"I asked for strength and God gave me difficulties to make me strong
I asked for wisdom and God gave me problems to solve
I asked for prosperity and God gave me brawn and brain to work
I asked for courage and God gave me dangers to overcome
I asked for patience God placed me in situations where I was forced to wait
I asked for love and God gave me troubled people to help
I asked for favors and God gave me opportunities
I received nothing I wanted I received everything I needed
My Prayer Has Been Answered.
written by
Unknown"
 
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bongsaway said:
The reason you see things the way you do is you are a trump supporter.
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Ah-ha!

So your assertion is that facts are not discernible for Democrat-Socialists.

That explains much.
 
code1211 said:
"I asked for strength and God gave me difficulties to make me strong
I asked for wisdom and God gave me problems to solve
I asked for prosperity and God gave me brawn and brain to work
I asked for courage and God gave me dangers to overcome
I asked for patience God placed me in situations where I was forced to wait
I asked for love and God gave me troubled people to help
I asked for favors and God gave me opportunities
I received nothing I wanted I received everything I needed
My Prayer Has Been Answered.
written by
Unknown"
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The above reminded me of this:

A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help.Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, "Jump in, I can save you."
The stranded fellow shouted back, "No, it's OK, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me."
So the rowboat went on.
Then a motorboat came by. "The fellow in the motorboat shouted, "Jump in, I can save you."
To this the stranded man said, "No thanks, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith."
So the motorboat went on.
Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, "Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety."
To this the stranded man again replied, "No thanks, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith."
So the helicopter reluctantly flew away.
Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, "I had faith in you but you didn't save me, you let me drown. I don't understand why!"
To this God replied, "I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?"
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code1211 said:
Ah-ha!

So your assertion is that facts are not discernible for Democrat-Socialists.

That explains much.
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It wasn't the dems on television saying they use alternate facts...and truth is not the truth according to rudy. Now, what were you saying?
 
bongsaway said:
It wasn't the dems on television saying they use alternate facts...and truth is not the truth according to rudy. Now, what were you saying?
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Can you PLEASE just stop.

This thread is not for political comments and jabs at others for their political viewpoints.
We are NOT in the political section of DP here.

Start your own political thread somewhere else and leave this one to the topic at hand.

Feel free to address the OP.
 
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