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    Re: Watchmaker Argument - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    "Militant." You mean like people who go door to door uninvited and push their beliefs onto others. Or speaking in public, telling people they are going to be tortured for all eternity if they don't agree with the speaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustHanging View Post
    "Militant." You mean like people who go door to door uninvited and push their beliefs onto others. Or speaking in public, telling people they are going to be tortured for all eternity if they don't agree with the speaker.

    Yes, because we love you and we desire you to gain life...
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    Re: Watchmaker Argument - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    You really don't know? Tell me honestly please. Honestly tell me you've never heard the term and I'll believe you then I'll cite several references.
    I'm asking what "YOUR" definition is. Are you working with something that's different than what other people work with?

    In your eyes what's the ratio of militant atheists to other atheists? 5%/95% 40%/60% 50%/50% ???
    How many actual militant atheists might there be in this word where in the USA atheist might make up about 5% of the entire population?

    Are there such things as "militant theists"? Do you think there are more militant theists than there are militant atheists?

    Are you insinuating that there are militant atheists right here at DP?
    Might there be militant theists here at DP as well?

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    Re: Watchmaker Argument - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    Yes, because we love you and we desire you to gain life...
    That's a funny way of showing it. IT is by those actions that people become hostile to religion. It is sad that you are unaware of the unspoken sense of arrogance that those actions entail.
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    Re: Watchmaker Argument - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I'm asking what "YOUR" definition is. Are you working with something that's different than what other people work with? ....
    That's not what you asked before but thanks for the Gish-Galloping questions. It's another instance revealing your personality.

    For "militant atheist", it's been around since 1925 AFAIK and was developed and promulgated by atheists themselves. Although it can be non-violent but confrontational as Richard Dawkins advises, it could also be violent like Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao. The Four Horsemen of Atheism (Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Daniel Dennett) advocated non-violent militant atheism as a first step. They often called it "New Atheism".

    17 Kinds of Atheism
    A militant atheist uses violence to promote atheism or destroy religion. (Often, the term “militant atheist” is misapplied to non-violent evangelical atheists like Richard Dawkins. But to preserve the parallel with the “militant Christian” who bombs abortion clinics or the “militant Muslim” suicide bomber, I prefer the definition of “militant atheist” that assumes acts of violence.)

    Six degrees of atheism | New Humanist
    The third most populous category is the Anti-Theist, polling 15%. The Anti-Theists are “diametrically opposed to religious ideology” and therefore quite assertive and even aggressive about their opinions on the matter. The Anti-Theist, then, is pretty much your “militant atheist”, possessing – in their view – “a superior understanding of the limitations and dangers of religion”.


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    The differences between Tyson and Dawkins is nicely summed up in this blog....and, yes, I favor Tyson: The Non-Militant Atheist - Think Atheist
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    Re: Watchmaker Argument - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    I favor Tyson
    Somewhere or another you seemed to have developed quite an attitude towards me.

    So I'll just say that I too favor Tyson's approach, but I do think there are some occasions(hopefully more rare than frequent) where perhaps being a bit more like Dawkins has it's place.

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    Re: Watchmaker Argument - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Somewhere or another you seemed to have developed quite an attitude towards me.

    So I'll just say that I too favor Tyson's approach, but I do think there are some occasions(hopefully more rare than frequent) where perhaps being a bit more like Dawkins has it's place.
    Sometimes a person must fight fire with fire, so Dawkins confronting the Westboro Baptists assholes, while not optimal, would be fair. Tyson's approach is much more persuasive.
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    Re: Watchmaker Argument - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Sometimes a person must fight fire with fire, so Dawkins confronting the Westboro Baptists assholes, while not optimal, would be fair. Tyson's approach is much more persuasive.
    Having more than one tool in the toolbox comes in handy.

    But, using a sledgehammer when one truly only needs a fine-point screw driver will always result in damage that can't be repaired easily.

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