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Watchmaker Argument - Discussion

Individual said:
I had a problem with my daughter being taught myth as fact, and I resolved it. No law I'm aware of was broken. If people want their children raised to believe in God(s), Church and Sunday school is the place to do it.
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I'd have the same problem. You keep mentioning this as if I'd disagree with you. Why?
 
Elvira said:
Well, that is a complete lie...maybe you just dreamed up the convo in your head...:roll:
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Given his multiple comments to and false accusations against me, this would not surprise me at all.
 
Elvira said:
Well, that is a complete lie...maybe you just dreamed up the convo in your head...:roll:
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Oh no I’m sure it is there and I thought it was pretty much just you two on the fairytale side, but could have been a third party..

I’m gonna try and make myself go check and quote it but a fair amount of work..

Might be worth it because I bet it was one of you two....


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A word in between:

When has that bloody watchmaker finally mady his stupid watch?

How long have we to wait for it?
 
ArtemisBarca said:
Oh no I’m sure it is there and I thought it was pretty much just you two on the fairytale side, but could have been a third party..

I’m gonna try and make myself go check and quote it but a fair amount of work..

Might be worth it because I bet it was one of you two....


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Please do...you'll realize just how crazy you really are...:roll:
 
I prefer the wine-maker argument. :)

Let's talk about that for about 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 pages now, please. :)
 
Where are those watch makes now?

It is time for another 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 postings.
 
Rumpel said:
I prefer the wine-maker argument. :)

Let's talk about that for about 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 pages now, please. :)
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Rumpel said:
Where are those watch makes now?

It is time for another 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 postings.
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Do you have a problem????
 
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JustHanging said:
"Militant." You mean like people who go door to door uninvited and push their beliefs onto others. Or speaking in public, telling people they are going to be tortured for all eternity if they don't agree with the speaker.

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Yes, because we love you and we desire you to gain life...
 
Dutch Uncle said:
You really don't know? Tell me honestly please. Honestly tell me you've never heard the term and I'll believe you then I'll cite several references.
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I'm asking what "YOUR" definition is. Are you working with something that's different than what other people work with?

In your eyes what's the ratio of militant atheists to other atheists? 5%/95% 40%/60% 50%/50% ???
How many actual militant atheists might there be in this word where in the USA atheist might make up about 5% of the entire population?

Are there such things as "militant theists"? Do you think there are more militant theists than there are militant atheists?

Are you insinuating that there are militant atheists right here at DP?
Might there be militant theists here at DP as well?
 
Elvira said:
Yes, because we love you and we desire you to gain life...
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That's a funny way of showing it. IT is by those actions that people become hostile to religion. It is sad that you are unaware of the unspoken sense of arrogance that those actions entail.
 
Dragonfly said:
I'm asking what "YOUR" definition is. Are you working with something that's different than what other people work with? ....
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That's not what you asked before but thanks for the Gish-Galloping questions. It's another instance revealing your personality. :)

For "militant atheist", it's been around since 1925 AFAIK and was developed and promulgated by atheists themselves. Although it can be non-violent but confrontational as Richard Dawkins advises, it could also be violent like Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao. The Four Horsemen of Atheism (Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Daniel Dennett) advocated non-violent militant atheism as a first step. They often called it "New Atheism".

17 Kinds of Atheism
A militant atheist uses violence to promote atheism or destroy religion. (Often, the term “militant atheist” is misapplied to non-violent evangelical atheists like Richard Dawkins. But to preserve the parallel with the “militant Christian” who bombs abortion clinics or the “militant Muslim” suicide bomber, I prefer the definition of “militant atheist” that assumes acts of violence.)

Six degrees of atheism | New Humanist
The third most populous category is the Anti-Theist, polling 15%. The Anti-Theists are “diametrically opposed to religious ideology” and therefore quite assertive and even aggressive about their opinions on the matter. The Anti-Theist, then, is pretty much your “militant atheist”, possessing – in their view – “a superior understanding of the limitations and dangers of religion”.


[video]https://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_militant_atheism?language=en[/video]


The differences between Tyson and Dawkins is nicely summed up in this blog....and, yes, I favor Tyson: The Non-Militant Atheist - Think Atheist
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I favor Tyson
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Somewhere or another you seemed to have developed quite an attitude towards me.

So I'll just say that I too favor Tyson's approach, but I do think there are some occasions(hopefully more rare than frequent) where perhaps being a bit more like Dawkins has it's place.
 
Dragonfly said:
Somewhere or another you seemed to have developed quite an attitude towards me.

So I'll just say that I too favor Tyson's approach, but I do think there are some occasions(hopefully more rare than frequent) where perhaps being a bit more like Dawkins has it's place.
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Sometimes a person must fight fire with fire, so Dawkins confronting the Westboro Baptists assholes, while not optimal, would be fair. Tyson's approach is much more persuasive.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Sometimes a person must fight fire with fire, so Dawkins confronting the Westboro Baptists assholes, while not optimal, would be fair. Tyson's approach is much more persuasive.
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Having more than one tool in the toolbox comes in handy.

But, using a sledgehammer when one truly only needs a fine-point screw driver will always result in damage that can't be repaired easily.
 
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