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Atheist: "God Doesn't Exist and I Hate Him"

RAMOSS said:
No, Nebuchadhezzar is being compared to him in a mocking way. It was actually Atlar, who tried to replace Baal after Baal's death, and in the failed attempt, fell. Isaiah was referring to false Gods.
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Deutero-Isaiah was mocking Nebuchadnezzar, who was being swiftly advanced-upon by Cyrus. He was comparing his "eternal glory" to the fleeting light of Venus at dawn.


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ecofarm said:
"Woke is a joke."
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What was it Jesus said? “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female" Matthew 19:4...
 
Elvira said:
What was it Jesus said? “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female" Matthew 19:4...
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He also said be kind.
 
ecofarm said:
People being considerate are not "a joke". That's your truth?
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Truth is truth...anyone who knows me knows where I stand...
 
Elvira said:
Truth is truth...anyone who knows me knows where I stand...
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It's possible to be a bigot against transgender people and yet not be a bigot against those who would be kind to them.
 
ecofarm said:
It's possible to be a bigot against transgender people and yet not be a bigot against those who would be kind to them.
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Kindness is one thing...living an illusion is quite another...would I walk up to such a person and say that to their face? No...but it's what I think/believe...as was my comment in the other thread...
 
Elvira said:
Kindness is one thing...living an illusion is quite another...would I walk up to such a person and say that to their face? No...but it's what I think/believe...as was my comment in the other thread...
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Your bile was aimed not merely at transgender people but all those considering themselves kind.
 
ecofarm said:
Your bile was aimed not merely at transgender people but all those considering themselves kind.
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No, it was not...it was regarding the OP and I did not elaborate, you added whatever bile you think you see...and while we're at it, let's get real here...considering how you treat a certain someone in this forum, I would say you're being a big hypocrite, so do not preach to me about being unkind...
 
Omega Man said:
Deutero-Isaiah was mocking Nebuchadnezzar, who was being swiftly advanced-upon by Cyrus. He was comparing his "eternal glory" to the fleeting light of Venus at dawn.


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The worship of Venus was many years in the future. It was referring to Alter, who tried to replace Baal after his death, and fell. Different pantheon.
 
RAMOSS said:
The worship of Venus was many years in the future. It was referring to Alter, who tried to replace Baal after his death, and fell. Different pantheon.
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Though Proto-Isaiah was mocking a Babylonian king.



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grip said:
Well, that's my point exactly. It's not that people can't accept the possibility of a deity as much as they can't believe he's all that good. If *good* means benevolent, then he's obviously not bathing us all in continuous joy, peace, and pleasure. If it means all-knowing, then maybe his knowledge of what he's doing makes sense to him but not us yet? What god would allow a devil to punish us unless he plays both parts or at the least has control over Lucifer.
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Yes, the Epicurean argument has always been problematic.
 
grip said:
Without free will, we couldn't become unique individuals. Freedom of choice is a big part of how we mature and learn to grow. I don't believe people are evil or good, we're all flawed and imperfect.
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Free will is not how we become unique individuals. We are born unique. It isn't something we get to choose.
 
devildavid said:
Free will is not how we become unique individuals. We are born unique. It isn't something we get to choose.
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Wrong...without free will, we would be just like robots...all programmed to behave in the same way...
 
Elvira said:
Wrong...without free will, we would be just like robots...all programmed to behave in the same way...
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All animals are unique in their behavior. It has zero to do with the concept of free will and everything to do with genetics and environment. No one freely chooses their personality. No one freely chooses their intelligence, aptitudes, physical traits and abilities. No one choose what interests them, attracts them, any of their likes and dislikes.
 
devildavid said:
All animals are unique in their behavior. It has zero to do with the concept of free will and everything to do with genetics and environment. No one freely chooses their personality. No one freely chooses their intelligence, aptitudes, physical traits and abilities. No one choose what interests them, attracts them, any of their likes and dislikes.
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This made me think of the animal planet show my MIL watches sometimes, it's about a zoo and I think its Australian. Anyway they were talking about animals pair bonding in the episode the other day, and how sometimes it can be hard to get animals to mate because the animals have personalities and likes/dislikes, attractions. The various animals showed personalities and even base feelings. They had to pretty much manipulate the animals into certain situations to try to get them to mate, which for some species is very important to increase their populations.

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Elvira said:
Truth is truth...anyone who knows me knows where I stand...
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Truth is actually dependent on the eye of the beholder. What is true for you, may not be true for another. Our perceptions determine our truths.

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Elvira said:
Wrong...without free will, we would be just like robots...all programmed to behave in the same way...
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Lack of Free Will doesn't necessarily mean everyone behaving in the same way.

And as disturbing as it may be, one can make a very strong case that Free Will is illusionary. Even from a biblical perspective, it is an interesting question. For example God is all-knowing, so when he created the Universe, he must have known exactly what would happen throughout the entire lifetime of that Universe. So how can we have Free Will when everything has been predetermined? I'm sure you can find many explanations trying to justify free will in such a situation (Please don't bother linking to Watchtower Online, I'm not going to read it), but the fact remains that if God knows exactly what is going to happen, then your role in the universe has been scripted since before God said "Let there be light!"
 
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devildavid said:
Free will is not how we become unique individuals. We are born unique. It isn't something we get to choose.
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We are born with instincts, genetics, and circumstances, which are partially the cause of our uniqueness. The biggest part comes from life experiences, which require free will to make choices.
 
devildavid said:
All animals are unique in their behavior. It has zero to do with the concept of free will and everything to do with genetics and environment. No one freely chooses their personality. No one freely chooses their intelligence, aptitudes, physical traits and abilities. No one choose what interests them, attracts them, any of their likes and dislikes.
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Wrong again...we absolutely can change our behavior/personality and many have done so, including me...it is a choice of free will...
 
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