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Why is it that Muslims never learn about Muhammed.

Yasureoktoo said:
So why are you telling me this in a thread about how Muslims do not read about Muhammed.

They cannot in Islam either, in fact, they cannot even be in the same room.
Seems like one evolved, one did not.
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I would agree. But the one which evolved did not get there by reading their holy book more closely. They got there by laying it aside. It’s not about the holy book. You are barking up the wrong tree.

If one could do it, the other can as well. But they are not going to get there through insults and humiliation.
 
ataraxia said:
I would agree. But the one which evolved did not get there by reading their holy book more closely. They got there by laying it aside. It’s not about the holy book.

If one could do it, the other can as well. But they are not going to get there through insults and humiliation.
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Actually that is not the way it works.

Islam cannot change, and to attempt to change it, is apostacy, and a death sentence.
But there is no reason I should have to keep repeating the same stuff.
 
ataraxia said:
Why not? That doesn't make sense. Someone beats you up and cusses you out for a while, so you are not free to find love and companionship ever again?
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It makes perfect sense for a bond that Jehovah God takes dead serious...pardon the pun...:2razz:

"In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart.”" Matthew 19:4-6
 
ataraxia said:
It just seems like hypocrisy to talk about the evils and atrocities of Islam, as if Christianity is soooo much better.

Now if you were attacking ALL religion like that, it would make sense. But this is a little like finding you have a cockroach problem in your house, but attacking only the brown-colored ones. It just seems odd.
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Yasureoktoo sounds a lot like Coldjoint. I smell hosiery.
 
bearpoker said:
If Jesus' actual, original teaching was no divorce, ever, it didn't make the millennial cut. Thank God!:mrgreen:Actually, I have been told that the problem Jesus was addressing was that divorce under Jewish law was being used in an arbitrary manner so a man could divorce his wife for any reason, no matter how trivial, and that Jesus was reacting to this abuse of the law.
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So much for him understanding the historical Jesus...:2razz:
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Actually that is not the way it works.

Islam cannot change, and to attempt to change it, is apostacy, and a death sentence.
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Well apparently no one told these Muslims:

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And someone forgot to tell these Cathar apostates they were safe in Christian hands:

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But there is no reason I should have to keep repeating the same stuff.
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Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.
 
Elvira said:
It makes perfect sense for a bond that Jehovah God takes dead serious...pardon the pun...:2razz:

"In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart.”" Matthew 19:4-6
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Well, then why don't you explain that Christian law cannot change like that to yasureoktoo here? I am sure he would be very interested to hear it from a real Christian like yourself.
 
ataraxia said:
This is what the Bible says plainly:

"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."
Corinthians 14:34-35

That seems as plain as day to me. So what manipulation would you use to explain that?
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There was a sensible/practical reason for that, when read in context...

let the women keep silent in the congregations: Paul has already given the direction to “keep silent” to those speaking in tongues without an interpreter and to those prophesying while another receives a revelation. In this context, he gives direction to women who were speaking out of turn during the congregation meetings. (1Co 14:28, 30, 34) Perhaps some women were interrupting or challenging the men who took the lead in teaching. Paul encouraged those women who had questions or concerns to “ask their husbands at home” rather than disrupt the meetings. (1Co 14:35) Additionally, Paul is here inspired to uphold the Scriptural direction that God assigns men to handle the oversight positions among his people. (1Ti 2:12) The apostle left no doubt that he greatly valued women as fellow ministers or preachers of the good news. (Ro 16:1, 2; Php 4:2, 3) His inspired direction did not exclude women from participating in congregation meetings.​—1Co 11:5; Heb 10:23-25.
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1 Corinthians 14 — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
Elvira said:
There was a sensible/practical reason for that, when read in context...



1 Corinthians 14 — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
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So women did not have to be in submission like the book says, only if they didn't speak in tongues. Where do you get that from:

"They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

... other than that your imagination skills are impressive?
 
ataraxia said:
Well, then why don't you explain that Christian law cannot change like that to yasureoktoo here? I am sure he would be very interested to hear it from a real Christian like yourself.
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Um, those are Jesus' own words...Yasureoktoo is correct about that scripture, it's been explained dozens of times before, so if you ain't got it by now, you never will...no point in repeating it again...
 
ataraxia said:
So women did not have to be in submission like the book says, only if they didn't speak in tongues. Where do you get that from:

"They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

... other than that your imagination skills are impressive?
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Do you people not read anything?:doh

Additionally, Paul is here inspired to uphold the Scriptural direction that God assigns men to handle the oversight positions among his people. (1Ti 2:12) The apostle left no doubt that he greatly valued women as fellow ministers or preachers of the good news. (Ro 16:1, 2; Php 4:2, 3) His inspired direction did not exclude women from participating in congregation meetings.​—1Co 11:5; Heb 10:23-25.
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Elvira said:
Um, those are Jesus' own words...Yasureoktoo is correct about that scripture, it's been explained dozens of times before, so if you ain't got it by now, you never will...no point in repeating it again...
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Jesus' own words say nothing about only not speaking in tongues. Only your quote from someone trying to explain them away. Muslims have a lot of "explanations" and "proper interpretations" like that too.
 
ataraxia said:
Jesus' own words say nothing about only not speaking in tongues. Only your quote from someone trying to explain them away. Muslims have a lot of "explanations" and "proper interpretations" like that too.
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Jesus' words on marriage...follow the discussion...
 
Elvira said:
Jesus' words on marriage...follow the discussion...
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But Paul doesn't say anything about speaking in tongues. Only NOT speaking in general, and not asking any questions. So Paul was wrong?
 
ataraxia said:
But Paul doesn't say anything about speaking in tongues. Only NOT speaking in general, and not asking any questions. So Paul was wrong?
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Different subject, different account...:roll:
 
Elvira said:
Different subject, different account...:roll:
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So Paul talking about women is really about Jesus talking about speaking in tongues, which has nothing to do with Paul talking about women.

OK, let me see if I can wrap my head around that pretzel...:confused:
 
ataraxia said:
This is what the Bible says plainly:

"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."
Corinthians 14:34-35

That seems as plain as day to me. So what manipulation would you use to explain that?
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What if the “woman” isn’t married; who should they ask? The women in this verse is referring to the wives of the Prophets. Read the context.
 
Overitall said:
What if the “woman” isn’t married; who should they ask? The women in this verse is referring to the wives of the Prophets. Read the context.
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WHAT?!!!!! WIVES OF THE PROPHETS?!!!!

Paul was saying only the wives of prophets could not speak or ask questions in church?

Man, the level of imagination is astounding!

I am just reassured in knowing that the Muslims can be just as imaginative in their "proper interpretation" of scriptures they may find equally socially unacceptable in modern society.

Are you reading all this yasureokto?
 
So what is the purpose of the OP? Muhammed bad? — Islam bad?

And who knows what mischief Jesus was up to in his 20s? Way he gay, in love with John? Did he marry Mary M and move to southern France as some believe?
 
ataraxia said:
WHAT?!!!!! WIVES OF THE PROPHETS?!!!!

Paul was saying only the wives of prophets could not speak or ask questions in church?

Man, the level of imagination is astounding!

I am just reassured in knowing that the Muslims can be just as imaginative in their "proper interpretation" of scriptures they may find equally socially unacceptable in modern society.

Are you reading all this yasureokto?
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I didn’t write the book. :) Yes it does require a little bit of imagination (and knowledge) to understand what was going on and why Paul felt it necessary to write this. Common sense helps also.

Yes I’m reading yesur’s stuff. Interesting.
 
ataraxia said:
So Paul talking about women is really about Jesus talking about speaking in tongues, which has nothing to do with Paul talking about women.

OK, let me see if I can wrap my head around that pretzel...:confused:
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This is 1 subject...Yassureoktoo was right in his comment to you on this...you have misunderstood completley what the scripture says

ataraxia said:
Who says Christians shouldn't be doing it? Certainly not Jesus:


"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 5:17-19

Now I am sure you can come up with some clever and imaginative way to try to dismiss that quote from the NT. But Muslims can be just as clever and imaginative with their interpretations of their scripture too, I assure you. But you won't get them there through insults and attempts at humiliation.
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This is the 2nd subject I was talking about...I never mentioned anything about speaking in tongues with either subject...:doh

Elvira said:
It makes perfect sense for a bond that Jehovah God takes dead serious...pardon the pun...:2razz:

"In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart.”" Matthew 19:4-6
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Overitall said:
I didn’t write the book. :) Yes it does require a little bit of imagination (and knowledge) to understand what was going on and why Paul felt it necessary to write this. Common sense helps also.

Yes I’m reading yesur’s stuff. Interesting.
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“Common sense” usually means projecting your own most current views, opinions, and what you consider socially acceptable onto scripture. I am pretty sure the Muslims can do that as well as the Christians.
 
ataraxia said:
“Common sense” usually means projecting your own most current views, opinions, and what you consider socially acceptable onto scripture. I am pretty sure the Muslims can do that as well as the Christians.
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I see Elvira already posted (in more detail) what I said in my previous post. I’ll bow to her knowledge on the subject. Still on the subject of common sense I’d like to know who the unmarried are supposed to ask. The verse doesn’t answer.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I know you're not sure, it's only been explained by many people a few dozen times that I am aware of , but it still manages to find it's way into an Islamic thread all the time.
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Explained but never comprehended...
 
Not a day goes by without a "why I hate muslims" thread by these people
 
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