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    Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    It is in the news:

    Pope Francis backs away from celibacy exception, putting off decision on allowing married priests in the Amazon
    More about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...754_story.html

    What do you think of this topic?

    I am a Catholic, as I have said before.
    And I am opposed to this enforced celibacy.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    It is in the news:



    More about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...754_story.html

    What do you think of this topic?

    I am a Catholic, as I have said before.
    And I am opposed to this enforced celibacy.


    Celibacy isn't natural. Celibacy probably has something to do with all the child molestations.

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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Celibacy isn't natural. Celibacy probably has something to do with all the child molestations.
    No it does not.

    People who refrain from having sex with adults to whom they are attracted are not suddenly transformed into pedophiles.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    It is in the news:



    More about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...754_story.html

    What do you think of this topic?

    I am a Catholic, as I have said before.
    And I am opposed to this enforced celibacy.
    I am a Catholic and have always felt very strongly that the Catholic Church should allow priests to marry. My spouse was of the Orthodox Russian Catholic Church and there was never a pastor appointed to any one of their churches unless he was married, that was a stipulation.

    Funny thing, the pastor of his church was marched out (his head on a pike) by the entire congregation because he was making porn movies in the basement of his church-owned home. They threw everything he owned out onto the street including him.

    A married priest would have a greater capacity to understand the difficulties that some of his confessors have within their marriages and with their children.







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    There are virtually no Child molestations in the Catholic Church.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Celibacy isn't natural. Celibacy probably has something to do with all the child molestations.
    There are virtually no Child molestations in the Catholic Church.

    Are public schools teachers subject to celibacy vows?

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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    No it does not.

    People who refrain from having sex with adults to whom they are attracted are not suddenly transformed into pedophiles.
    Seems to me one problem is someone with a healthy sexuality doesn't commit to celibacy, and someone with a sexual interest in boys (not really pedophilia mostly) might join the clergy as a way to deal with it, as forced abstinence for them would be a good thing.

    Certainly, a celibacy requirement changes the population of those willing to become priests, versus allowing married men/women to serve as priests.

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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    ...What do you think of this topic?

    I am a Catholic, as I have said before.
    And I am opposed to this enforced celibacy.
    I think this topic testifies to the growing hegemony of secularism in the cultural conversation.

    I am a Roman Catholic by baptism and rearing, and I was not in favor of abandoning the Latin Mass. Nor am I in favor of abandoning other traditions under pressure from an increasingly secularized culture, including the celibate priesthood.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Seems to me one problem is someone with a healthy sexuality doesn't commit to celibacy, and someone with a sexual interest in boys (not really pedophilia mostly) might join the clergy as a way to deal with it, as forced abstinence for them would be a good thing.

    Certainly, a celibacy requirement changes the population of those willing to become priests, versus allowing married men/women to serve as priests.

    Not really. Seminaries in the eastern tradition where priests can be married have a shortage of vocations as well.

    Celibacy is healthy sexuality. You are called to be celibate outside of marriage. We live in a such a degenerate culture that people think this, but it is untrue. You can abstain from pornography and masturbation and non procreative sexual practices and be perfectly happy.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Nor am I in favor of abandoning other traditions under pressure from an increasingly secularized culture, including the celibate priesthood.
    Celibacy for priests has not been a Catholic "tradition" right from the start. It was enforcecd around the year 1100 A. D. - and not for good reasons.
    Anyway, the fact that something is a tradition does not automatically mean that it is also a good tradition.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    Celibacy for priests has not been a Catholic "tradition" right from the start. It was enforcecd around the year 1100 A. D. - and not for good reasons.
    Anyway, the fact that something is a tradition does not automatically mean that it is also a good tradition.
    What is bad about the tradition of priestly celibacy?
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