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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Not really. Seminaries in the eastern tradition where priests can be married have a shortage of vocations as well.
    I didn't mention shortages, just that the celibacy requirement changes the population of those willing to do the job. My cousin considered the priesthood, was weeks from committing, and ultimately didn't commit because he wanted a family, marriage. It's an n=1 I know but that cannot be unusual.

    Celibacy is healthy sexuality. You are called to be celibate outside of marriage. We live in a such a degenerate culture that people think this, but it is untrue. You can abstain from pornography and masturbation and non procreative sexual practices and be perfectly happy.
    The desire to have sex is natural and powerful. You can call it healthy, but agreeing to it for a lifetime is also a huge sacrifice. And I also made a mistake focusing on the sex, because being celibate is of course only part of it - it's the absence of intimate relationships with another person, and procreation, both powerful human urges.

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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    There are virtually no Child molestations in the Catholic Church.
    What term would you use to describe the acts between priests and boys underlying scandals across the Catholic church if not child molestation?

    FWIW I deleted the butwhataboutism...

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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    It is in the news:



    More about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...754_story.html

    What do you think of this topic?

    I am a Catholic, as I have said before.
    And I am opposed to this enforced celibacy.
    Catholics accepting your belief, get the women who have maximum sex and though you can't train them, many other men got that privilege. Enjoy your promiscuous wife, is my message to catholics wanting it your way.

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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What term would you use to describe the acts between priests and boys underlying scandals across the Catholic church if not child molestation?

    FWIW I deleted the butwhataboutism...
    How many priests do that act?
    And how many formerly innocent boys do they molest?
    Why don't Catholics claim the priests are child molesters? Refusal by adult men and women to call the molesters homosexuals, happens why?

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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    There are virtually no Child molestations in the Catholic Church.
    Hmmmm ... the 1st of April is still a long way away ....
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Robertinfremont View Post
    How many priests do that act?
    And how many formerly innocent boys do they molest?
    Why don't Catholics claim the priests are child molesters? Refusal by adult men and women to call the molesters homosexuals, happens why?
    I'm objecting to the phrase, "There are virtually no Child molestations in the Catholic Church." The allegations involve THOUSANDS of priests, 10s of thousands of victims. If you want to argue that is consistent with "virtually no" cases, defend it.

    I have no idea what your questions are supposed to prove, or what your point is in asking them. If you want the answers, Google is your friend. If you have a point, make it, don't ask me questions that have nothing to do with my point, and that you can answer for yourself.

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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    There are virtually no Child molestations in the Catholic Church.

    Are public schools teachers subject to celibacy vows?

    Has Media Ignored Sex Abuse In School? - CBS News
    There are hundreds of pedophile priests in Pennsylvania alone and the church had the policy to cover up their crimes. The catholic church is a criminal organization.

    Hundreds of pedophile priests – including some with New York ties – abused and terrorized Pennsylvania children for decades, while complicit Catholic Church officials covered up their offenses or turned a blind eye, according to a damning new grand jury report released Tuesday.

    Over the course of 70 years, the trusted, ordained men of God, more than 300 in all, raped and abused more than 1,000 boys and girls with impunity while serving an institution that routinely shuffled them from parish to parish, giving them license and enabling them to prey upon new victims.


    The disturbing details were unearthed in a statewide grand jury report that was two years in the making, an ugly inventory described by officials as the biggest and most exhaustive ever undertaken by a U.S. state.

    “The main thing was not to help children, but to avoid scandal,” the report says. “Priests were raping little boys and girls and the men of God who were responsible for them not only did nothing: They hid it all.”
    Catholic church in Pennsylvania spent decades covering up for hundreds of pedophile priests, panel finds; several named had New York ties - New York Daily News

    This bishop came out and said the being a pedophile is preferable than abortion and he hasn't be disciplined for it.

    A Catholic priest in Rhode Island last week condemned lawmakers who supported the state's abortion bill and said they should be denied communion.
    Now he is suggesting abortion is more heinous than pedophilia.
    In an interview with CNN affiliate WJAR, the Rev. Richard Bucci of Sacred Heart Church said that while abuse is a "horrible thing," the comparison between pedophilia and abortion is unfair because he believes more children have been aborted than abused.
    "We are not talking about any other moral issue, where some may make it a comparison between pedophilia and abortion," the West Warwick priest said in the interview, published Sunday. "Pedophilia doesn't kill anyone and this does."

    Bucci told WJAR no one should be surprised by his stance: The Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church holds that from the moment of conception, unborn children have the rights of a person.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    The catholic church is a criminal organization.
    Well well .... most organizations have criminal members.
    But that does not make the whole organzisation a criminal organization as such.

    If there is a criminal in a family, does that then make the whole family a criminal family?
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Not really. Seminaries in the eastern tradition where priests can be married have a shortage of vocations as well.

    Celibacy is healthy sexuality. You are called to be celibate outside of marriage. We live in a such a degenerate culture that people think this, but it is untrue. You can abstain from pornography and masturbation and non procreative sexual practices and be perfectly happy.
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