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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    It is in the news:



    More about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...754_story.html

    What do you think of this topic?

    I am a Catholic, as I have said before.
    And I am opposed to this enforced celibacy.
    Celibacy isn't very natural. From a scriptural perspective there is nothing in the texts which demands celibacy. Paul said it would be preferable, however he then added if not possible it was better to marry "than to burn with lust".

    Anglicans are basically same as Catholics and allow for priests to marry, and there are far fewer incidents of sexual abuse in that sect than in the Catholic church. There are also some Catholic priests who left the Anglican church who were married, then became Catholic who still kept their wives , and they seem to do fine in the Catholic church.

    In my opinion if the Catholic church allowed for married priests (heterosexual marriage), it would solve most of their problems. However I believe it comes down to $$$ withe the Catholic church not doing that, because then there would be the need to support spouses and children. But that being said, I still think the monetary cost of that would still be far less than the many millions paid out in damages over sexual abuse cases.

    I have a friend who used to be a Catholic priest who left the church over what he said was systemic sexual abuses. His take on it was this: He said that for generations Catholic families who had sons and daughters who they knew or suspected were gay, they encouraged to enter the priesthood (both males and females) under the false belief that being in the priesthood---and being celibate would "save them" from their desires and from themselves. Well, that didn't work out to well, and all it does is draw a larger pool of frustrated confused homosexuals into the priesthood than in other sects.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    The church is concerned with earthly matters, such as performing sacramental rituals for the congregants. There is no church without people to serve here on earth.
    The Church is primarily concerned with spiritual matters. Please control this tendency to talk about what you don't know.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    The same could be said about other jobs, such as acting or performing music. It still meets the criteria of a job. People do make their living from it. Priests are not volunteers, but official members of the church organization. They are paid a salary. They have duties to perform.
    The priesthood is not a job, it's a vocation, a calling.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    The priesthood is not a job, it's a vocation, a calling.

    Did not somebody said that before?
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Off topic.

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    While in college I found the love of my of my life and he found me.

    We have been happily married over 40 years and have 4 grown grown children.

    I still do try to keep up to date regarding medical news.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    Did not somebody said that before?
    It bore repeating as my interlocutor did not seem to grasp the point. As a fellow Catholic, surely you are in a position to acknowledge the point.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    You claim that "the literature suggest" but provide nothing to back this up. If you only make a claim about something which can be verified, you should provide the verification for the rest of us to assess. Otherwise, it is just your opinion. So we know what you think the literature suggest, point us to the literature so we can assess its validity.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    The Church is primarily concerned with spiritual matters. Please control this tendency to talk about what you don't know.
    The church is primarily concerned with performing their duties for the people they serve, such as physically providing sacramental rituals. That is what they do every day. They interact with people very day in various ways and provide these things physically in person to congregants.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I posted the links right here.
    Nothing in the link supports your claim about "the literature". Just two studies of limited scope. Now sure, probably the same is true of Catholic Church abuse as well. All we have to go by are the latest headlines. So any claims of literature stating anything are questionable. All I can say is that pointing out abuses in other areas of society does not lessen the seriousness of Church abuses, especially considering that the Church is expected to be a bastion of moral behavior.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    It bore repeating as my interlocutor did not seem to grasp the point. As a fellow Catholic, surely you are in a position to acknowledge the point.
    I grasp the claim, but reject it. Joining the military or the police can be called a calling as well. But they are jobs as well.
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