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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    Yes, I can!

    It is in-human and cruel and un-necessary and un-natural.
    And also quite stupid because it will lead to the dwindling of the Catholic Church in the long run.
    And how should celibate priests speak with authority in family matters, if they are complete aliens to family and marriage problems?

    These are just a few examples - and there are more.
    The Church and its ministers are primarily concerned with spiritual matters, to answer your first bad.
    As to your second, the Church and its ministers have seen only growth in the last thousand years, and your dire prediction does not seem credible.
    By your third, only psychologically disturbed therapists can speak authoritatively about neuroses and psychoses and only sick doctors can minister to the sick. We know this is not so.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Usually with an agreement to keep their misconduct silent and then recommendations for future jobs, hence “passing the trash”

    You can’t just “fire” a priest, this is not a civil job.
    And as I said the church could have had the priest doing a job where he would no longer have contact with children.

    A clerical job, marriage counselor, handling donations etc. to name a few.
    When it comes to matters of Reproductive health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    The difficulty it presents in both attracting and retaining those who have any interest in the job. Just like if would for any other job.
    The priesthood is not a job, it's a vocation, a calling.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    why on earth did you take latin in high school?

    I too was compelled to waste time like this.
    Off topic.

    I wanted to become a medical doctor.

    But life took a twist as if often does.

    While in college I found the love of my of my life and he found me.

    We have been happily married over 40 years and have 4 grown grown children.

    I still do try to keep up to date regarding medical news.
    When it comes to matters of Reproductive health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    The priesthood is not a job, it's a vocation, a calling.
    Oh - is that so?

    And God only calls men who do not want to marry?

    Did God tell you so first hand?
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    Oh - is that so?

    And God only calls men who do not want to marry?

    Did God tell you so first hand?
    I don't know what God wants, but I know what the Church wants.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    No one said the majority of teachers were abusers, just the literature suggest they abuse at a far higher rate then the Catholic Church.

    You cannot provide any evidence for your claim the Catholic Church is rife with sexual abuse in this case, because if schools are safe despite having many times more abuse then you cannot claim the Church is dangerous or uniquely guilty.

    The report outright says less then 2 percent of allegations they could trace a result to result in termination and in 16 percent of those the offenders were working at other schools.

    It’s well know this happens, there is a slang for it “passing the trash” and no one really knows how common it is.

    NPR reported on this just last year. There’s been no substantive abuse allegations in the Catholic Church for years, this is ongoing in schools.

    Without Warning System, Schools Often 'Pass The Trash' — And Expose Kids To Danger : NPR Ed : NPR


    And you arguing this makes my point, you don’t care about Children, you just want to an ad hominem to throw at political opponents
    You claim that "the literature suggest" but provide nothing to back this up. If you only make a claim about something which can be verified, you should provide the verification for the rest of us to assess. Otherwise, it is just your opinion. So we know what you think the literature suggest, point us to the literature so we can assess its validity.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    The priesthood is not a job, it's a vocation, a calling.
    The same could be said about other jobs, such as acting or performing music. It still meets the criteria of a job. People do make their living from it. Priests are not volunteers, but official members of the church organization. They are paid a salary. They have duties to perform.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    The same could be said about other jobs, such as acting or performing music.
    Or even bakers and butchers.
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    Re: Celibacy - in the Catholic Church - and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    The Church and its ministers are primarily concerned with spiritual matters, to answer your first bad.
    As to your second, the Church and its ministers have seen only growth in the last thousand years, and your dire prediction does not seem credible.
    By your third, only psychologically disturbed therapists can speak authoritatively about neuroses and psychoses and only sick doctors can minister to the sick. We know this is not so.
    The church is concerned with earthly matters, such as performing sacramental rituals for the congregants. There is no church without people to serve here on earth.
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