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What did Christopher Hitchens learn when he died?

Peter King said:
the bible is not all knowing, it is a book written and thought up by people/men. Also, isn't the pope infallible? And as he is infallible, he must be right. At least according to the vatican.
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The Catholic position says that the pope is infallible when he is 'speaking from the chair' about Catholic doctrine (i.e. about what Catholics are supposed to believe).
 
Elvira said:
lol...the pope is not all knowing, he is merely an imperfect man who makes mistakes just like the rest of us...
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I agree, the idea of infallibility is ludicrous.
 
Elvira said:
And yet, they knew before you did...
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They were alive 2000 years before me to write their myths. Much of it is plagiarized, so it isn't even original.
 
NWO_Spook said:
I would say that many on this site prove that claim. The irrational hatred and overt bigotry directed toward the atheist community is somewhat mediaeval in nature, and would in no way be tolerated if it was directed toward any other minority. However, if one is an atheist, believers can be as belligerent and as objectionable toward that individual as they like, and without redress.
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Objection, your honour!

Are atheists a minority?
I think they are a majority.
And atheists can be very insulting towards believers.
I would not be able to judge who can be more insulting.
 
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Peter King said:
Also, isn't the pope infallible? And as he is infallible, he must be right. At least according to the vatican.
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No the Pope is not infallible.
Not even Catholics believe that.
And I am sure not even the Pope believes that.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Christopher definitely clung to being an Atheist. So when he died, what did he learn from the experience? He had cancer yet it is reported he died due to pneumonia contracted in a Texas hospital.

Let's try to do it as he loved to do, claim and explain his views.

So let's start with what Atheists say .... He learned absolutely nothing.

He learned there is our GOD. PLEASE, this serious stuff since he died as a young man. Given the longevity of man, he could have lived much longer but his Cancer was why he was in the hospital. So confine it to the God that was around first so let's not ask about many GODS. We want to focus on ONE god.

Some of you may not be aware he died in 2012.

To help this start out correct, while he no longer talks, he has talked, and a lot.

Suppose when he died, since he preached there is no such thing as GOD, his fate was to die, actually get to visit GOD, and GOD forgave him? OR, GOD told Christopher, since you do not believe in me, I also do not believe in you. Thus Christopher could have actually lived in the after life as opposed to learning had he believed, GOD could have included Chris in the Afterlife.

Anyway, we have a still living excellent debater in his analytical skill to help us get to the bottom.

TAke this journey hoping to persuade us of his view or choose Dinesh view of this matter.

This will provide you with an excellent base of thinking. The video can perhaps give you life later, though not as man lives here on Earth, but something else glorious and new to you.

I have chatted with many posters, some whom died even after they chatted to me on the internet.

An Example is Don. Don is a very intelligent man who wrote recently and published a book speaking of him watching his wife die from disease. Ask me if you would be interested in any of his books.

Don once was a flag rank Air force Officer. A heck of a nice man. I got to know him when Bill Clinton was president.

So on to the show. Dinesh and Christopher debated on the stage at Notre Dame University in America.

Enjoy it and let us all hear your side. If you think Christopher won, say so. If you think Dinesh won, let us know.

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Hitchens was a man who tragically put entirely too much faith in his own imaginative opinions, assumptions and speculations.
 
Rumpel said:
Objection, your honour!

Are atheists a minority?
I think they are a majority.
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I think that depends on where one lives. These forums are very US-centric and I would posit that the majority of the membership is Christian. It is definitely the case on the site where I am a moderator.

And atheists can be very insulting towards believers.
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True, but I find them less likely to be such unless they are treated poorly, which seems to be the norm. However, I have found one or two atheists to be as objectionable and I have pointed it out in order to try and steer the debate away from a mere slanging match. There is one here that I will never engage owing to his belligerence.

I would not be able to judge who can be more insulting.
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Although limited to my experience discussing this subject on various forums for about 12 years, I find most apologists to be very condescending, insulting and downright objectionable. Do not think for a moment I include you when I say this, for I find you quite a pleasant individual and I respect your opinions, however, there are about 5 or 6 members who frequent this sub forum that I refuse to engage owing to their lack of manners.
 
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NWO_Spook said:
Do not think for a moment I include you when I say this, for I find you quite a pleasant individual and I respect your opinions, however, there are about 5 or 6 members who frequent this sub forum that I refuse to engage owing to their lack of manners.
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Thank you very much for your friendy words! :)
Yes, I can understand you!

In German forums it may be a bit different. If I ever mention something like "name days" there, I get ridiculed as "over-pious".
And as a "fanatical Catholic" who wants to burn others on a stake. :shock:

Needless to say; I am neither over-pious nor do I want to burn anybody. :cool:
And my interest in name days is not so much religious, but more on the cultural and historic side.
 
Robertinfremont said:
So when he died, what did he learn from the experience? [...]Let's try to do it as he loved to do, claim and explain his views.

So let's start with what Atheists say .... He learned absolutely nothing.
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Actually, I have it on good authority that he was presented before God who, having a busy day, was inclined to send him immediately to Hell without even hearing his case. But then Christopher started talking and, lo and behold, there was something so intriguing in his discourse that . . . God just couldn't pull the switch! And they have been talking, and keep talking, ever since that fateful day. God has apparently decided to keep him around only because he is such a darn good conversationalist and everyone always speaks to God in platitudes and with exaggerated deference!
 
Lisa said:
How else is your reply to be understood than as a death threat because of your religious belief?
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Your first sign of guilt is you first called me out, and did not try to be fair to my commentary.

So my question is this. How on earth can you allege you are a fair person by lashing out me by a wild imaginary ride into the unknown.?

I never threaten any poster.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Your first sign of guilt is you first called me out, and did not try to be fair to my commentary.

So my question is this. How on earth can you allege you are a fair person by lashing out me by a wild imaginary ride into the unknown.?

I never threaten any poster.
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Suggesting that I am used as a test case to see if there is life after death looks like a death threat to me, based on your conservative religious beliefs.

This possibly borders on a hate crime because I am the target because of my non-belief. A person's religious beliefs or lack thereof as the reason for a crime is one of the protected classes. I'd be very careful how you choose to reply.
From the FBI.gov.
Hate Crime: At the federal level, a crime motivated by bias against race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, or disability.
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Lisa said:
Suggesting that I am used as a test case to see if there is life after death looks like a death threat to me, based on your conservative religious beliefs.

This possibly borders on a hate crime because I am the target because of my non-belief. A person's religious beliefs or lack thereof as the reason for a crime is one of the protected classes. I'd be very careful how you choose to reply.
From the FBI.gov.
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Today I posted how women can and do ruin more than the targeted victim, but even a family. You in my opinion are who has made threats.

Factually my sort of humor is not condoned by you. So you persist in attacking me. And not one bit fair.
 
I think it would be a cruel trick by a god to give humans the ability to reason, and then penalize them for choosing it over make-believe.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Christopher definitely clung to being an Atheist. So when he died, what did he learn from the experience? He had cancer yet it is reported he died due to pneumonia contracted in a Texas hospital.

Let's try to do it as he loved to do, claim and explain his views.

So let's start with what Atheists say .... He learned absolutely nothing.

He learned there is our GOD. PLEASE, this serious stuff since he died as a young man. Given the longevity of man, he could have lived much longer but his Cancer was why he was in the hospital. So confine it to the God that was around first so let's not ask about many GODS. We want to focus on ONE god.

Some of you may not be aware he died in 2012.

To help this start out correct, while he no longer talks, he has talked, and a lot.

Suppose when he died, since he preached there is no such thing as GOD, his fate was to die, actually get to visit GOD, and GOD forgave him? OR, GOD told Christopher, since you do not believe in me, I also do not believe in you. Thus Christopher could have actually lived in the after life as opposed to learning had he believed, GOD could have included Chris in the Afterlife.

Anyway, we have a still living excellent debater in his analytical skill to help us get to the bottom.

TAke this journey hoping to persuade us of his view or choose Dinesh view of this matter.

This will provide you with an excellent base of thinking. The video can perhaps give you life later, though not as man lives here on Earth, but something else glorious and new to you.

I have chatted with many posters, some whom died even after they chatted to me on the internet.

An Example is Don. Don is a very intelligent man who wrote recently and published a book speaking of him watching his wife die from disease. Ask me if you would be interested in any of his books.

Don once was a flag rank Air force Officer. A heck of a nice man. I got to know him when Bill Clinton was president.

So on to the show. Dinesh and Christopher debated on the stage at Notre Dame University in America.

Enjoy it and let us all hear your side. If you think Christopher won, say so. If you think Dinesh won, let us know.

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You don't learn a damned thing when you die. Know why?


Because you're ****ing dead.

Brains cannot learn once they stop working. And a sure sign that you are dead, is having a brain that is no longer working.
 
calamity said:
You don't learn a damned thing when you die. Know why?


Because you're ****ing dead.

Brains cannot learn once they stop working. And a sure sign that you are dead, is having a brain that is no longer working.
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I have my suspicions you are wrong.

When my uncle Gene was killed in combat, he was dead as a chunk of Oak. But mom, sleeping, woke up and announced to dad her brother Gene just got killed. She knew nothing of where the Army sent him since the Communists had recently attacked South Korea (she knew not where, other than face down in a rice paddy). She waited until the Army declared he was missing in action Strange as it seems, he and she talked when he was freshly dead.
 
Robertinfremont said:
I have my suspicions you are wrong.

When my uncle Gene was killed in combat, he was dead as a chunk of Oak. But mom, sleeping, woke up and announced to dad her brother Gene just got killed. She knew nothing of where the Army sent him since the Communists had recently attacked South Korea (she knew not where, other than face down in a rice paddy). She waited until the Army declared he was missing in action Strange as it seems, he and she talked when he was freshly dead.
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The idea that she had a suspision that he was dead doesn't mean that he contatcted her after his death.
 
NWO_Spook said:
Maybe that's what Christopher meant by a 'capricious' god?
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I suppose so. He described what he saw as the irony and inconsistency in religion like few others.

Here's a quote of his: "The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right."

He also wrote, while under chemotherapy, the following observation:

"Myself, I love the imagery of struggle. I sometimes wish I were suffering in a good cause, or risking my life for the good of others, instead of just being a gravely endangered patient. Allow me to inform you, though, that when you sit in a room with a set of other finalists, and kindly people bring a huge transparent bag of poison and plug it into your arm, and you either read or don’t read a book while the venom sack gradually empties itself into your system, the image of the ardent soldier or revolutionary is the very last one that will occur to you. You feel swamped with passivity and impotence: dissolving in powerlessness like a sugar lump in water."
 
swing_voter said:
Christopher Hitchens was erased when he died. It was like turning a light off, leaving only darkness, not even darkness really, leaving nothing.
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Really, I just saw a bunch of his books in the library.
 
jpn said:
I think it would be a cruel trick by a god to give humans the ability to reason, and then penalize them for choosing it over make-believe.
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1.) That is not the actions of a loving god. Beleiver claim that their god has a plan for them, so he gave them the ability to think and he knew that he would punish them for it. Thre is the epitome of gaslighting.

2.) Why would you worship a god that does that?
 
Lisa said:
The idea that she had a suspision that he was dead doesn't mean that he contatcted her after his death.
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Explain him talking to Mom at the very moment of his death then?
Actually he told Mom not to worry that though dead, he is fine.

YES, I was as doubtful as you are.

My proof came to me from actual combat death and troop movements from his own Army command.
 
Lisa said:
Why would you worship a god that does that?
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Short answer; I don't. In his last book, "Mortality," Hitchens describes dying with cancer. He wrote this in his journal on one of his last days:

From Alan Lightman’s intricate 1993 novel Einstein’s Dreams; set in Berne in 1905:

With infinite life comes an infinite list of relatives. Grandparents never die, nor do great-grandparents, great-aunts… and so on, back through the generations, all alive and offering advice. Sons never escape from the shadows of their fathers. Nor do daughters of their mothers. No one ever comes into his own… Such is the cost of immortality. No person is whole. No person is free.​

Atheist to the end.
 
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