View Poll Results: Have you been baptized? And if so, which way?

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    Re: Baptized?

    Quote Originally Posted by bluesmoke View Post
    I'm only speaking based on my interpretation of the Bible regardless of belief. I have beliefs of right and wrong that may or may not be backed up by the Constitution, yet I do or may interpret the Constitution in contradiction of my own personal belief. If one is a Christian, one should be in agreement with what I posted, IMO.
    So you're playing Devil's Advocate here?

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    Re: Baptized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    This is probably one of the shortest possible polls about religion.

    Have you been baptized? And if so, which way?
    Those responses are distinctions without a difference.
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    Re: Baptized?

    I think it’s important for people to remember, especially Christians to remember, that baptism had already existed in a different form, or in a similar form, prior to what we know today as baptism. When John the Baptist is in the river baptizing people, people didn’t walk by and say, “What’s he doing? That’s a strange thing!” They knew what he was doing, he was baptizing; and this probably emerges from the idea of ritual immersion that existed in Judaism long before. We have evidence of ritual immersion going on prior to the advent of Christianity because we have mikva’ot (mikvehs) we have Jewish ritual immersion and this was for ritual purity. Before you could go worship, you would ritually immerse yourself and this wasn’t necessarily for hygiene or for cleanliness, it was for spiritual purity. You would make yourself pure so that you could go in the presence of the deity, you could worship, you could offer sacrifices. So, long before Christianity developed the idea of baptism, Jews had been practicing ritual immersion in the form of entering into a mikveh, immersing ones selves and then emerging from that purified.
    Origins of Baptism
    Judaism was incredibly diverse in the Second Temple period, in this period after returning from exile, and then of course, leading up to the rise of Christianity. We know of some groups that practice ritual immersion; we also have physical evidence, we have actually have mikva’ot that are discovered in and around Jerusalem and in a place called Qumran, associated with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. We know that certain ancient authors like Josephus talk about groups like the Essenes who would practice ritual immersion, regular ritual immersion.. And so we actually have textual sources and archaeological evidence that demonstrates that certain groups were obsessed with ritual purification.

    The Christian approach to baptism was like many other approaches to Jewish rituals; for instance, Jesus took the Passover meal and invested new meaning upon it, you know, “this is my blood, this is my body” and gave it some new meaning even though it was an established Jewish practice, the Passover meal. In the same way, Christians looked at ritual immersion and invested a new meaning upon it. So, instead of a regular ritual immersion that’s done every time that you would go up and worship, the Christians took this same practice of physical immersion into a body of water for the purposes of spiritual purification and adopted this as baptism. The idea being, though, that the Christians would do it one time, that you would be baptized once. And, there are early documents that didn’t make it into the Bible that talk about how you don’t need to be baptized three or four times, just baptized once and it became a form of initiation, of designation that I am now giving myself over to Jesus and to the Christian faith.
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    Re: Baptized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    You should have allowed for multiple choices...
    There it is allowed now - and also there are more options:

    >>>> Which religion did you enter by a baptism?
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    Re: Baptized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    None of the above...I was baptized the Biblical way...full immersion...submersion and emergence...
    You could vote there now:

    >>> Which religion did you enter by a baptism?
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    Re: Baptized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    There are always little problems with polls.
    You can never please everybody, can you? - No, you can't.
    But I try to do my best.

    This time I forgot to add the option: "Some other way".
    Sorry about that.
    Its not a question of pleasing me. Its just me trying to tell you your poll makes no sense as there is a major flaw in your questioning.... there is a huge / huge difference in what constitutes a protestant baptism, yet you want to lump them together, yet make a distinction with Catholic baptism.

    There is very little distinction between a Methodist baptism and a Catholic baptism, yet you want people to check one (protestant) versus the other (catholic). There is a huge / huge difference between a Methodist baptism (protestant) and a Baptist baptism (protestant), but you don't seem to care about that distinction.

    I thought this might be a learning moment for you as you seem interested in baptisms. Apparently, however, you are less interested in what baptisms really are.

    30 Top Bible Verses About Baptism - Scripture on Being Baptized

    While we are on the subject, you do know there is Jewish baptism..... remember, Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi, there was no Christianity when he was on earth. John the Baptist was Jewish.

    History of baptism - Wikipedia
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    Re: Baptized?

    @ upsideguy

    May I draw your attention to that other poll of mine?


    Which religion did you enter by a baptism?
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    Re: Baptized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So you're playing Devil's Advocate here?


    To the extent of my understanding of the Bible and desire for accurate/reasonable enough interpretation for debatable/defensible position/opinion, yes.

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    Re: Baptized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Nobody is born "conscious of god".
    Nobody.


    In Christianity, the soul exists at conception and a soul is conscious. An example would be Luke 1:39-45
    [39] At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, [40] where she entered Zechariah's home and greeted Elizabeth. [41] When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. [42] In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! [43] But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? [44] As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. [45] Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!"

    The upshot is that the baby, John the Baptist, was filled with joy and the Holy Spirit, and conscious. That you donít recall to know does not mean you were not conscious, as is often the case with dreams and many other things obvious that we swear never happened.

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    Re: Baptized?

    Quote Originally Posted by bluesmoke View Post
    In Christianity, the soul exists at conception and a soul is conscious. An example would be Luke 1:39-45
    [39] At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, [40] where she entered Zechariah's home and greeted Elizabeth. [41] When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. [42] In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! [43] But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? [44] As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. [45] Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!"

    The upshot is that the baby, John the Baptist, was filled with joy and the Holy Spirit, and conscious. That you don’t recall to know does not mean you were not conscious, as is often the case with dreams and many other things obvious that we swear never happened.
    All bull crap.

    Everyone is born an atheist. Everyone.

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