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[W:94]THE ABRAHAMIC GOD and THEISTIC EVOLUTION

That definition came from the National Academy of Sciences.
The NAS - surprisingly - went on to explain that Theistic Evolution,
is not in disagreement with scientific explanations of evolution. Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific disciplines."


Harry Potter Evolution is not in disagreement with science either. Pretty cool eh!

So Harry Potter is probably responsible for all life on earth. Dumbledore would be proud. :)
 
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Big Bang Timeline

The Norse gods and theistic evolution. (My comments in red.)

1. 0 second to 10-43 second. Only God knows or can know what happened during this period of time. We know only that at least 9 dimensions of space existed as what is called singularity. All of the universe-to-be existed as a point of no volume. Time as we know it was created.
These are referred to as the Nine Worlds that make up the greater world.

2. 10-43 second, also known as Planck time. This is the point at which gravity, one of the four unified forces, became separate from the remaining three forces.
Gravity was represented by the cow Audhumbla, whose milk was matter and the Milky Way, and formed the young Earth. She is also the great Sky Bull of the Mesopotamians, who turns the great sky wheel and makes the world go round.
She is only actually a cow beginning with the age of Taurus (4300 BC - 2150 BC). Before that she can be represented by other great beasts, and later by the Ram (Age of Aries: 2150 BC - 1 AD).

3. 10-36 second. The strong nuclear force (the force that holds the nuclei of atoms together) separated from the other three unified forces.
The remaining forces are referred to as the three roots of the World Tree, Yggdrasil, who are seated in the Well of Urd/Fate/Causality, the Boiling Spring/Creation from chaos, and the well of Mimir/Entropy.

4. 10-36 to 10-32 second. Immediately following and triggered by the separation of the strong nuclear force, the universe expanded rapidly for this brief period of time.
This splits existence into the heat of Muspelheim and the cold of Niflheim, which begin to interact with each other.

5. 10-32 to 10-5 second. The universe is filled with quarks, antiquarks, and electrons. The quarks and antiquarks combine and annihilate each other. Quarks are in excess of antiquarks by a ratio of 1,000,000,001 to 1,000,000,000. The remaining quarks will make up all the matter that exists in the universe.
The separation of Sky, Earth, and water. Earth is called Ymir.

6. 10-12 second. The final two unified forces split from one another. Electromagnetism, which controls the attraction of negatively and positively charged particles, becomes separate from the weak nuclear force, which controls radioactive decay.
Ymir is killed, and the inhabitable world is formed from his remains.

7. 10-5 second. The universe cools to 1,000,000,000,000°K allowing quarks to combine to form protons and neutrons, the building blocks of atomic nuclei.
The blood of Ymir kills most of his children, but enough of them remain for natural phenomena to continue at a more leisurely pace. (The Titans/Giants are stuff like earthquakes, vulcanic eruptions, mountain slides, solar radiation, rain, etc.)

8. 1 second to 3 minutes. The universe continues to cool, allowing protons and neutrons to combine to form the nuclei of future atoms.
And eventually we get the world as we know it.


That took me about 10 minutes to come up with.
Wanna bet that someone can come up with something similar for other cosmological models?
Point being, that it is easy to form a model that gives you the results you want, when you know them in advance.
 
The Norse gods and theistic evolution. (My comments in red.)

1. 0 second to 10-43 second. Only God knows or can know what happened during this period of time. We know only that at least 9 dimensions of space existed as what is called singularity. All of the universe-to-be existed as a point of no volume. Time as we know it was created.
These are referred to as the Nine Worlds that make up the greater world.

2. 10-43 second, also known as Planck time. This is the point at which gravity, one of the four unified forces, became separate from the remaining three forces.
Gravity was represented by the cow Audhumbla, whose milk was matter and the Milky Way, and formed the young Earth. She is also the great Sky Bull of the Mesopotamians, who turns the great sky wheel and makes the world go round.
She is only actually a cow beginning with the age of Taurus (4300 BC - 2150 BC). Before that she can be represented by other great beasts, and later by the Ram (Age of Aries: 2150 BC - 1 AD).

3. 10-36 second. The strong nuclear force (the force that holds the nuclei of atoms together) separated from the other three unified forces.
The remaining forces are referred to as the three roots of the World Tree, Yggdrasil, who are seated in the Well of Urd/Fate/Causality, the Boiling Spring/Creation from chaos, and the well of Mimir/Entropy.

4. 10-36 to 10-32 second. Immediately following and triggered by the separation of the strong nuclear force, the universe expanded rapidly for this brief period of time.
This splits existence into the heat of Muspelheim and the cold of Niflheim, which begin to interact with each other.

5. 10-32 to 10-5 second. The universe is filled with quarks, antiquarks, and electrons. The quarks and antiquarks combine and annihilate each other. Quarks are in excess of antiquarks by a ratio of 1,000,000,001 to 1,000,000,000. The remaining quarks will make up all the matter that exists in the universe.
The separation of Sky, Earth, and water. Earth is called Ymir.

6. 10-12 second. The final two unified forces split from one another. Electromagnetism, which controls the attraction of negatively and positively charged particles, becomes separate from the weak nuclear force, which controls radioactive decay.
Ymir is killed, and the inhabitable world is formed from his remains.

7. 10-5 second. The universe cools to 1,000,000,000,000°K allowing quarks to combine to form protons and neutrons, the building blocks of atomic nuclei.
The blood of Ymir kills most of his children, but enough of them remain for natural phenomena to continue at a more leisurely pace. (The Titans/Giants are stuff like earthquakes, vulcanic eruptions, mountain slides, solar radiation, rain, etc.)

8. 1 second to 3 minutes. The universe continues to cool, allowing protons and neutrons to combine to form the nuclei of future atoms.
And eventually we get the world as we know it.


That took me about 10 minutes to come up with.
Wanna bet that someone can come up with something similar for other cosmological models?
Point being, that it is easy to form a model that gives you the results you want, when you know them in advance.


Irrelevant!

Read again.


The purpose of this thread is to show how theistic evolutionists (scientists) can say that theistic evolution is in-lined with the Bible.

There are quite a few versions as to how scientists see the compatibility of the
Genesis narrative with evolution.
.....

..........but the fact that there are many versions only strengthen the argument and validity for DESIGN by the ABRAHAMIC GOD.




But, we do know now - logic is absolutely sailing over your head. :shrug:

Lol. That's the major reason why I use a lot of large fonts! A lot of you folks aren't wearing your glasses!
 
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The title is a shouting already.

Why was it necessary?

I wasn't thinking. I wanted the title to stand out. I didn't know it's illegal to use caps in title.

Now - some folks who can't make any valid refutations against sound arguments/evidence may want to resort to working in shutting/locking down the thread, or penalize the poster through technicality. That's a common "pay back," or ploy in forums.
 
I wasn't thinking. I wanted the title to stand out. I didn't know it's illegal to use caps in title.

Now - some folks who can't make any valid refutations against sound arguments/evidence may want to resort to working in shutting/locking down the thread, or penalize the poster through technicality. That's a common "pay back," or ploy in forums.

Presentation counts.
 
Irrelevant!

Read again.


The purpose of this thread is to show how theistic evolutionists (scientists) can say that theistic evolution is in-lined with the Bible.

There are quite a few versions as to how scientists see the compatibility of the
Genesis narrative with evolution.
.....

..........but the fact that there are many versions only strengthen the argument and validity for DESIGN by the ABRAHAMIC GOD.




But, we do know now - logic is absolutely sailing over your head. :shrug:

Lol. That's the major reason why I use a lot of large fonts! A lot of you folks aren't wearing your glasses!

Ooooopsssss .... a bit too much on the red side. So that it's read more?
 
Ooooopsssss .... a bit too much on the red side. So that it's read more?

Agreed...and she's shouting...again...:roll:
 
Ooooopsssss .... a bit too much on the red side. So that it's read more?

To emphasize the point! :roll:






Look.......just a suggestion......maybe this will help.....

Why don't you read what I responded to.


........you know, the one in quotes.


Can you see why I had to put emphasis where I did?

Do you see why his comparison with the Norse god is irrational? Can you?
Do you see what he's missing?




Also because, seriously - a lot of folks here aren't reading, or they're simply skimming! Or, they're actually ignoring.
Like as if, by ignoring it........my argument will just go away. :lol:


Anyway, I'm not making excuses for the colors or fonts! OR, the emojis!
That's my style.


Don't like it? No one's forcing anyone to read my posts.
Let that be the end of that.



This topic has been derailed enough.....I want to get back to the issue. Please.
 
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The Norse gods and theistic evolution. (My comments in red.)


FYI.....I stopped reading the rest after this sentence. I already knew you're toast. :lol:

It doesn't matter either whether your comment is in purple or green or hot pink. :mrgreen:
FYI, the reasoning behind arguments has nothing to do with colors.
You're still toast!


The Norse god comparison is irrelevant......and irrational!
If you hadn't read it yet....... there is a reason why I'm talking about the ABRAHAMIC GOD!


Because....

.........many scientists can relate the Book of Genesis with evolution, and some BIBLICAL declarations have been confirmed, or supported by scientific findings.



You should read, to avoid embarrassing yourself.



Just a friendly little tip from moi......
If you folks are going to use colors for emphasis - make sure it doesn't emphasize the ignorance shown by your posts. :lamo
 
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Just a reminder: The purpose of this thread is to show how theistic evolutionists (scientists) can say that theistic evolution is
in-lined with the Bible.

Note: the evidences given will not be limited to the Book of Genesis, but will also cover accounts/declarations found throughout the Scriptures, which are supported by scientific discoveries.


For convenience's sake, evidences are given in the following:

Posts # 2, 4, 14, 17, 20, 23, 24




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The Bible contains 10 verses (written by 3 prophets from different timelines) that use the term "stretch" as a description for the "heavens."



Job 9:8
He alone stretches out the heavens _ and treads on the waves of the sea.

Psalm 104:2
The LORD wraps himself in light as with a garment; _ he stretches out the heavens like a tent

Isaiah 40:22
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, _ and its people are like grasshoppers. _He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, _ and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Isaiah 42:5
This is what God the LORD saysÑ _the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out, _ who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it, _ who gives breath to its people, _ and life to those who walk on it

Isaiah 44:24
ÒThis is what the LORD saysÑ _ your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, _ the Maker of all things, _ who stretches out the heavens, _ who spreads out the earth by myself,

Isaiah 45:12
It is I who made the earth _ and created mankind on it. _My own hands stretched out the heavens; _ I marshaled their starry hosts.

Isaiah 51:13
that you forget the LORD your Maker, _ who stretches out the heavens _ and who lays the foundations of the earth, _that you live in constant terror every day _ because of the wrath of the oppressor, _ who is bent on destruction?

Jeremiah 10:12
But God made the earth by his power; _ he founded the world by his wisdom _ and stretched out the heavens by his understanding.

Jeremiah 51:15
ÒHe made the earth by his power; _ he founded the world by his wisdom _ and stretched out the heavens by his understanding.

Zechariah 12:1
The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person, declares: 2 ÒI am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem.



This was the first written work describing the expanding universe model for the universe,
which is consistent with the Big Bang model........

........thousands of years before there was a Big Bang model!








Science had discovered that space is stretching.


The Big Bang

The Big Bang did not occur as an explosion in the usual way one think about such things, despite one might gather from its name. The universe did not expand into space, as space did not exist before the universe, according to NASA Instead, it is better to think of the Big Bang as the simultaneous appearance of space everywhere in the universe.
The universe has not expanded from any one spot since the Big Bang — rather, space itself has been stretching, and carrying matter with it.
Our Expanding Universe: Age, History & Other Facts | Space



To explain the stretching of the universe, the analogy of the surface of a balloon is often employed. Spots on the surface of the balloon grow apart as the balloon stretches while being blown up.
WMAP Site FAQs
 
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First, let's introduce theistic evolution again. It is a religious creation belief - that God created the universe and the various processes driving physical and biological evolution and that these processes then resulted in the creation of galaxies, our solar system, and life on Earth.

There are many scientists who are Theistic evolutionists. A lot of them are Christians and believers of the Abrahamic God.
A lot of them have been non-believers who ended up being convinced - and converted - by their scientific findings.
They do not see any contradiction(s) between the Biblical narrative of creation, and evolution. They see compatibility between the Bible and science.


Then they are NOT scientists in sciences like physics, chemistry or biology


Just for the record, I want to make it clear that I am not an evolutionist. I don't believe in macro evolution.
I do not believe in common descent....

So you don't believe in evidence

Despite making a big thing about a lack of evidence for the theory that the big bang wasn't the start of the universe.
 
FYI.....I stopped reading the rest after this sentence. I already knew you're toast. :lol:

It doesn't matter either whether your comment is in purple or green or hot pink. :mrgreen:
FYI, the reasoning behind arguments has nothing to do with colors.
You're still toast!


The Norse god comparison is irrelevant......and irrational!
If you hadn't read it yet....... there is a reason why I'm talking about the ABRAHAMIC GOD!


Because....

.........many scientists can relate the Book of Genesis with evolution, and some BIBLICAL declarations have been confirmed, or supported by scientific findings.



You should read, to avoid embarrassing yourself.



Just a friendly little tip from moi......
If you folks are going to use colors for emphasis - make sure it doesn't emphasize the ignorance shown by your posts. :lamo

You don't seem very friendly.
 
Then they are NOT scientists in sciences like physics, chemistry or biology


Lol. They are most likely members too, of the NAS!

Why would the NAS even mention scientists, if they are not scientists?

Anyway, whatever particular branch of science they specialize in, is irrelevant!
They're basing their position on science findings and research! It doesn't have to be their own research or discoveries either!




Here, read this!


"Many religious persons, including many scientists, hold that God created the universe and the various processes driving physical and biological evolution and that these processes then resulted in the creation of galaxies, our solar system, and life on Earth. This belief, which sometimes is termed 'theistic evolution,' is not in disagreement with scientific explanations of evolution.

Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe

revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific disciplines."

WMAP Site FAQs






So you don't believe in evidence

Despite making a big thing about a lack of evidence for the theory that the big bang wasn't the start of the universe.

That's my personal belief. It's not up for debate on this thread.

I merely clarified my personal position on the theory of evolution - common descent.
I don't want any misunderstanding about my personal belief.

However, I'm giving arguments here.......

.............. from the point of view of evolutionists who reconcile science with the Abrahamic religion.
 
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To emphasize the point! :roll:






Look.......just a suggestion......maybe this will help.....

Why don't you read what I responded to.


........you know, the one in quotes.


Can you see why I had to put emphasis where I did?

Do you see why his comparison with the Norse god is irrational? Can you?
Do you see what he's missing?




Also because, seriously - a lot of folks here aren't reading, or they're simply skimming! Or, they're actually ignoring.
Like as if, by ignoring it........my argument will just go away. :lol:


Anyway, I'm not making excuses for the colors or fonts! OR, the emojis!
That's my style.


Don't like it? No one's forcing anyone to read my posts.
Let that be the end of that.



This topic has been derailed enough.....I want to get back to the issue. Please.

These big red letters hurt my eyes. :(
 
Science had discovered that space is stretching.

And the bible says god stretched space "like a tent". Where does science say space is stretching in a tent like manner?

Since mankind invented tents, anyone looking at the sky on a clear night can see the analogy. Nothing more required.
 
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These big red letters hurt my eyes. :(

I've politely asked tosca on numerous occasions to not use all the crazy colours, but they have refused. So I just ignore those.

tosca uses it for the points that can't stand on their own, and feels that adding color enhances their argument. Because you know, an argument made in crayon is ever so mature and persuasive.
 
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