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    Re: About Televangelism

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    What is your impression: Is Televangelism there to spread the Gospel - or to make money - or both?

    I have not had much experience with Televangelism.
    I think you here in the US have more.
    What is your experience?
    Of course they are there to make money. They are simply scammers who fleece the gullible while exploiting their tax exemption status.
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    Re: About Televangelism

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    The best way to reach people is still the old fashioned way, the way Jesus and his apostles did, from door to door and house to house, village to village...

    "Shortly afterward he traveled from city to city and from village to village, preaching and declaring the good news of the Kingdom of God. And the Twelve were with him," Luke 8:1
    I can assure you those who's doors you knock-on believe it is the worst way. No one likes unsolicited solicitors, particularly those that proselytize.

    I'm glad my local government requires solicitors to register and be regulated with stiff controls, including purchasing a solicitor's license they must present upon contact with the citizens or authorities. The licenses are strictly regulated, to the point of only being issued rarely and for extremely limited circumstances. Residents can place government-provided stickers to our front doors, proclaiming unlicensed solicitation is illegal and subject to law enforcement response.

    I didn't know all this before I moved in, but now I love it! I literally go years without a solicitor knocking on my door, and that's the way I like. I highly recommend to those that don't have regs like this, they should try to get them. They're a Godsend.
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    Re: About Televangelism

    Quote Originally Posted by NWO_Spook View Post
    Of course they are there to make money. They are simply scammers who fleece the gullible while exploiting their tax exemption status.
    Looks like it .....
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    Re: About Televangelism

    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
    And myself and my neighbors are subsidizeing their holdings with our real estate taxes. I don't limit this to the Catholic Church either. Every other house in the hacidic area is a synogogue and there are plenty of Protestant churches. I must say the Catholic Church is the most opulent.

    Our public schools educate millions every day. Our government provides far more in the US than the Catholic Church. Praise Jesus.

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    No you’re not. Someone else not being charged a tax is not you subsidizing them.
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    Re: About Televangelism

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I can assure you those who's doors you knock-on believe it is the worst way. No one likes unsolicited solicitors, particularly those that proselytize.

    I'm glad my local government requires solicitors to register and be regulated with stiff controls, including purchasing a solicitor's license they must present upon contact with the citizens or authorities. The licenses are strictly regulated, to the point of only being issued rarely and for extremely limited circumstances. Residents can place government-provided stickers to our front doors, proclaiming unlicensed solicitation is illegal and subject to law enforcement response.

    I didn't know all this before I moved in, but now I love it! I literally go years without a solicitor knocking on my door, and that's the way I like. I highly recommend to those that don't have regs like this, they should try to get them. They're a Godsend.
    Those licenses are only for commercial solicitors. That law cannot be legally enforced against political and religious solicitors.
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    Re: About Televangelism

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    The church is number one charitable organization on the planet.

    And most of the church’s “wealth” comes from voluntary donations of benafactors, sometimes royalty long ago, some times donations and offerings today (I routinely give the church money) and sometimes from business interests the church runs. These are used to maintain buildings, give charity, and run ministries. No one is personally wealthy from serving the church.

    Also the Catholic Church was made by God. Not man
    Nah. That would be the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. And, unlike the Catholic Church, it's not corrupt to its core, which is a really nice side benefit, if you think about it.

    Glad I could set you straight on that.
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    Re: About Televangelism

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    No you’re not. Someone else not being charged a tax is not you subsidizing them.
    Yes I am because if a business or home owner owned the property they would be paying R/E taxes. We should tax them all. Total bull**** that they are not taxed. They are political as well whether they admit it or not.
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    Re: About Televangelism

    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
    Yes I am because if a business or home owner owned the property they would be paying R/E taxes. We should tax them all. Total bull**** that they are not taxed. They are political as well whether they admit it or not.
    No, that’s not a subsidy. If a business wasn’t charged tax you would not be subsidizing them. Taxes are an artificial construct. Nobody owes tax unless the law requires it, and the law does not require taxes of religious organizations. Therefore there is no basis of you to claim you’re subsidizing them.

    The government fails miserably at education, maybe it would be a good thing if public schools were put out of business instead.

    Good luck with that, charging property taxes to religious organizations would kill many of them and that would provoke a reaction like you cannot possibly imagine.

    Your party would lose the black and Hispanic vote for generations for sure.

    It would be the absolute death of the Democratic Party. I would love for someone like you to actually show up at a house of worship with a foreclosure notice.
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    Re: About Televangelism

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir View Post
    Nah. That would be the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. And, unlike the Catholic Church, it's not corrupt to its core, which is a really nice side benefit, if you think about it.

    Glad I could set you straight on that.
    The Catholic Church is not corrupt to the core.
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    Re: About Televangelism

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    No, that’s not a subsidy. If a business wasn’t charged tax you would not be subsidizing them. Taxes are an artificial construct. Nobody owes tax unless the law requires it, and the law does not require taxes of religious organizations. Therefore there is no basis of you to claim you’re subsidizing them.

    The government fails miserably at education, maybe it would be a good thing if public schools were put out of business instead.

    Good luck with that, charging property taxes to religious organizations would kill many of them and that would provoke a reaction like you cannot possibly imagine.

    Your party would lose the black and Hispanic vote for generations for sure.

    It would be the absolute death of the Democratic Party. I would love for someone like you to actually show up at a house of worship with a foreclosure notice.
    It sure as hell is a subsidy. Towns have offered tax breaks to bring businesses in and it hasn't worked out, a major backlash in my area for giving away the store to bring in a certain business. R/E Taxes are how we fund our public schools, roads, local government etc. with the churches benefiting. No reason they can't kick in a little even if its a reduced rate. This has nothing to do with party, just economics. Funny you mention a foreclosure notice. A local Jewish congregation built a really nice and new synagogue in our town. They over estimated their congregation and ultimately turned it over to the town which now uses it for municipal offices, town hall, court...
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