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Why Do Skeptics Go Out of Their Way to Bash Christians?

Logicman said:
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Why don't you liberals ever do your homework?

First of all, the earliest mention of the resurrection of Jesus was within a handful of years after the event. Details in the following article: Earliest Mention of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ << The Righter Report

Second, scholars date the entire New Testament to the 1st century. The Dating of the New Testament - bethinking.org

Third, the early church fathers UNANIMOUSLY confirmed the traditional Gospel authors. Dates in the links.

Matthew authorship - 1. Church Fathers and Matthew’s Gospel | Renewal Theology
Mark Authorship- 2. Church Fathers and Mark’s Gospel | Renewal Theology
Luke Authorship - 3. Church Fathers and Luke’s Gospel | Renewal Theology
John Authorship - https://renewal-theology.com/2019/04/15/4-church-fathers-and-johns-gospel/

Fourth, there are over forty authors who wrote about Jesus within 150 years of his death and resurrection: 9 authors from the New Testament - Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Author of of Hebrews, James, Peter, and Jude. 21 early Christian writers outside the NT - Clement of Rome, Ignatius, Polycarp, Martyrdom of Polycarp, Didache, Barnabus, Shepherd of Hermas, Fragments of Papias, Justin Martyr, Aristides, Athenagoras, Theophious of Antioch, Quadratus, Aristo of Pella, Melito of Sardis, Diognetus, Gospel of Peter, Apocalypse of Peter, and Epistula Apostolorum. 4 heretical writings - Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Truth, Apocryphon of John, Treatise on Resurrection. And 9 secular non-Christian sources, including Josephus, Tacticus, Pliny the Younger, Phlegon, Lucian, Celcus, Mara Bar-Serapion, Seutonius, and Thallus. A number of those were 1st century.

And fifth, do yourself a favor and read the well-researched historical accounts about Jesus, including this one from scholar Dr. Gary Habermas:

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Do your homework, Lisa.

p.s. Most of ancient history is hearsay / second hand. So to keep yourself on an even keel, start ripping out major sections of your history books about people from that time period, because most of them are "second hand" accounts.
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A cut/paste to a hack book is not evidence you know. And links that give misinformaton isn't evidence either.
 
RAMOSS said:
A cut/paste to a hack book is not evidence you know. And links that give misinformaton isn't evidence either.
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Your posts are like Adam Schiff's lies and distortions.
 
NWO_Spook said:
By that 'logic', do you believe Augustus ascended into heaven on the back of a swan? Claudius? That 'so-called' historian (Habermas) fails to distinguish between the probable and the fanciful...
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I doubt you've ever read Habermas. Just what in the Sam Hill do you read? Richard Carrier's Mad Magazine antichrist follies? LOL.
 
Logicman said:
Your posts are like Adam Schiff's lies and distortions.
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Prove it. Show that you actually read your links, and that your links are actually more than just a recitation of tradition that has been shown to be false. Past history shows that you will make a sarcastic remark, and be unable to rise to the challenge.
 
RAMOSS said:
Prove it. Show that you actually read your links, and that your links are actually more than just a recitation of tradition that has been shown to be false.
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Matthew 7:6
 
Logicman said:
Matthew 7:6
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I must be a prophet, since my prediction has been born out to be true.

You can't show your sources are valid, nor that they speak the truth. Bluster and insults are detrimental to Christianity as a whole.
 
Logicman said:
I doubt you've ever read Habermas.
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I don't have to and that is immaterial because his contention is clear. I tend to avoid biased secondary sources.

Just what in the Sam Hill do you read? Richard Carrier's Mad Magazine antichrist follies? LOL.
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Trust you to act like a jerk. I majored in Ancient History and the Classics at the University of Queensland. I read Ancient sources in translation and translated many myself.

Have you done this?

I have to note that you completely ignored my point which, unlike Habermas's is quite rational.
 
NWO_Spook said:
I don't have to and that is immaterial because his contention is clear. I tend to avoid biased secondary sources.
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Demonstrate the Habermas is biased.

NWO_Spook said:
Trust you to act like a jerk. I majored in Ancient History and the Classics at the University of Queensland. I read Ancient sources in translation and translated many myself.

Have you done this?

I have to note that you completely ignored my point which, unlike Habermas's is quite rational.
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If you majoried in ancient history and don't believe the historical Gospel accounts about Jesus, then you've failed badly at it and you should get a new hobby.
 
Logicman said:
Demonstrate the Habermas is biased.
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I already did. Does Habermas accept that Roman emperors ascended into heaven, as was fashionable at the time?

If you majoried in ancient history and don't believe the historical Gospel accounts about Jesus, then you've failed badly at it and you should get a new hobby.
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There's the usual ad hominem attack I've come to expect from your kind. You have the burden of proof to demonstrate that all the claims in the texts are true. Again, do you believe Augustus ascended into heaven because the texts claim thus?
 
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Please delete the multiple post.
 
Logicman said:
Your posts show you don't know what you're talking about.
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How can the gospel of Matthew be proof of god when it wasn't written by God/Jesus and has never been fact-checked? Which version of Matthew is the true version?
Matthew 7.6-16

6“Do not give what is holy to dogs; and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under foot and turn and maul you.

7“Ask, and it will be given you; search, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened for you. 8For everyone who asks receives, and everyone who searches finds, and for everyone who knocks, the door will be opened. 9Is there anyone among you who, if your child asks for bread, will give a stone? 10Or if the child asks for a fish, will give a snake? 11If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
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NWO_Spook said:
I already did. Does Habermas accept that Roman emperors ascended into heaven, as was fashionable at the time?



There's the usual ad hominem attack I've come to expect from your kind. You have the burden of proof to demonstrate that all the claims in the texts are true. Again, do you believe Augustus ascended into heaven because the texts claim thus?
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Jesus is resurrected in all four historical Gospels. Biased denial doesn't help you.
 
Lisa said:
How can the gospel of Matthew be proof of god when it wasn't written by God/Jesus and has never been fact-checked? Which version of Matthew is the true version?
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The Gospels are EVIDENCE. You can't scientifically prove a deity or a resurrection. You can't replicate it. So get off the "prove/empirical evidence" kick.
 
Is anyone else experiencing problems with double-posting today?

Mods, please delete. Thanks.
 
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Logicman said:
The Gospels are EVIDENCE. You can't scientifically prove a deity or a resurrection. You can't replicate it. So get off the "prove/empirical evidence" kick.
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The gospels are claims. They are not evidence of anything. Are Star Wars and Star Trek proof of alien life forms?
 
Logicman said:
Jesus is resurrected in all four historical Gospels. Biased denial doesn't help you.
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Have you ever read and studied the writings of Bible scholar Bart Ehrman?

Bart Ehrman has been a thorn in the side of US evangelical Christians ever since he burst onto the scene in 2006 with his popular book Misquoting Jesus (HarperOne). Somehow, the hitherto unknown Bible scholar had managed to turn a dry academic subject (the textual reliability of scripture) into a New York Times best-seller. As miraculous as that may sound, the problem was that Ehrman wasn’t a Christian. In fact, as a former Bible-believing evangelical, he took every opportunity to tell his story of losing faith in Scripture, and eventually in God altogether. The atheist community welcomed him as a brother-in-arms. Evangelicals saw him as a talented communicator with an axe to grind.

At some point in his deconversion process, Ehrman decided that the historical claim that Jesus rose from the dead was false. So why did he change his mind? The New Testament scholar explained how, in his evangelical youth, he spent a number of years trying to prove to people that Jesus had been raised from the dead. Eventually, however, his studies led him to question the reliability of the stories altogether.

‘It was my biblical scholarship that showed me that there are in fact mistakes in the Bible,’ he says. ‘There are contradictions between the different accounts about how Jesus was raised from the dead. This eventually led me to become a more liberal Christian who didn’t hold to the inerrancy of the Bible.’
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The Sceptic: Why I can't believe the resurrection
 
Lisa said:
Is anyone else experiencing problems with double-posting today?

Mods, please delete. Thanks.
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You can delete duplicate posts yourself by editing...then click on delete...

"Delete this post in the following manner:"
 
Logicman said:
Your posts show you don't know what you're talking about.
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Actually she does.

Let's see your proof that Harry Potter isn't an all-powerful God who God-breathed His books into existence using J.K. Rowling as his tool.

I'll bet you sigs for a year that you can't come up with one that's sound.
 
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Lisa said:
Have you ever read and studied the writings of Bible scholar Bart Ehrman?
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Yes. He needs a lot of help with his theology.

Lisa said:
The Sceptic: Why I can't believe the resurrection
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Tell you what, Lisa - show me your BEST ONE (1 - just ONE) example of a fictitious person, place, or event in the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John). Cite the pertinent scripture(s) and SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE WHY IT'S FICTITIOUS. If you can't then you have NOTHING to hang your hat on. Should be easy if it's all bs, right, Lisa?

You're on.
 
Logicman said:
Yes. He needs a lot of help with his theology.



Tell you what, Lisa - show me your BEST ONE (1 - just ONE) example of a fictitious person, place, or event in the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John). Cite the pertinent scripture(s) and SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE WHY IT'S FICTITIOUS. If you can't then you have NOTHING to hang your hat on. Should be easy if it's all bs, right, Lisa?

You're on.
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That is ridiculous. You are the one claiming Jesus exists, so YOU have the burden of proof. Take some personal responsibility.
 
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