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Some religions are critical of alcohol and do not allow it.
What is your position in that respect?

Do you see a contrast between alcohol and Christianity?

Some do, as far as I know.

Well, I don't.

Any reasons why alcohol should be banned in some religions?
 
It lowers inhibitions around alter boys.
 
KevinKohler said:
It lowers inhibitions around alter boys.
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You mean these boys are altered somehow?
Or do you mean altar boys or altar girls?

Anyway, I think we are a bit off topic here.
 
Let my ask the qustion this way:
If Jesus and the apostels drank wine during the last supper, why should alcohol then be forbidden in some Chrstian denominations?
 
Rumpel said:
Some religions are critical of alcohol and do not allow it.
What is your position in that respect?

Do you see a contrast between alcohol and Christianity?

Some do, as far as I know.

Well, I don't.

Any reasons why alcohol should be banned in some religions?
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If a man gets drunk, gets in a car, has a wreck kills someone, that man has sinned against God, not for driving, but for drinking and then driving. Therefore drinking is a sin.
 
Moonglow said:
It was new wine which is not fermented.
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All wine is fermented -- and 2,000 years ago, that fermentation process, which creates the alcohol content, offered a drink that was less likely to kill you. Water drawn from a well could easily contain bacteria -- and the alcohol in wine killed that bacteria.

But, back then, they drank the wine much as they still do in France, just as a liquid - not so much to get a buzz or get drunk.

That's the difference. Those who drink today just for the feeling the alcohol gives them - have every right to do so - as long as it's legal, but the two instances are very different.

Religious rules are intended to control people -- that's all.
 
marke said:
If a man gets drunk, gets in a car, has a wreck kills someone, that man has sinned against God, not for driving, but for drinking and then driving. Therefore drinking is a sin.
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Would you say that ANY kind of drinking is a sin?
 
Moonglow said:
It was new wine which is not fermented.
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No, that's NOT what Jesus was drinking at the Last Supper.
Who told you so?

And: New wine at Easter? In springtime?
 
Was the wine used at the Last Supper alcoholic?
Was it unfermented grape juice, or would it be wine with alcohol content?

That Jesus had no objection in principle to the consumption of wine is also indicated to me by his first miracle of turning water into fermented wine (as described by the master of the wedding feast in John 2:10), and not just grape juice.
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More about it: Was the wine used at the Last Supper alcoholic?
 
Rumpel said:
Would you say that ANY kind of drinking is a sin?
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Drunkenness is a sin, but whether minimal drinking is a sin or not is between a penitent sinner and God. God does say wine and strong drink are things that are not wise to become involved with.
 
Rumpel said:
Some religions are critical of alcohol and do not allow it.
What is your position in that respect?

Do you see a contrast between alcohol and Christianity?

Some do, as far as I know.

Well, I don't.

Any reasons why alcohol should be banned in some religions?
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I think alcohol like most things needs to be kept in perspective. I don't think it's a vice unless you're an alcoholic.
 
marke said:
whether minimal drinking is a sin or not is between a penitent sinner and God. God does say wine and strong drink are things that are not wise to become involved with.
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And what what Jesus as a pour penitent sinner say to that? :(
And why did Jesus become so often "involved with" wine?
 
Piglet said:
All wine is fermented -- and 2,000 years ago, that fermentation process, which creates the alcohol content, offered a drink that was less likely to kill you. Water drawn from a well could easily contain bacteria -- and the alcohol in wine killed that bacteria.

But, back then, they drank the wine much as they still do in France, just as a liquid - not so much to get a buzz or get drunk.

That's the difference. Those who drink today just for the feeling the alcohol gives them - have every right to do so - as long as it's legal, but the two instances are very different.

Religious rules are intended to control people -- that's all.
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And I only smoke cannabis for the taste not so much to get a buzz. Comparing the consumption of alcohol back then and consumption today can't be compared on the same level. Today we can drink water without dying. People drink to get a buzz.

To me this is another hoodoo voodoo man made issue to control people just like most of what religion is, a control.
 
Piglet said:
All wine is fermented -- and 2,000 years ago, that fermentation process, which creates the alcohol content, offered a drink that was less likely to kill you. Water drawn from a well could easily contain bacteria -- and the alcohol in wine killed that bacteria.

But, back then, they drank the wine much as they still do in France, just as a liquid - not so much to get a buzz or get drunk.

That's the difference. Those who drink today just for the feeling the alcohol gives them - have every right to do so - as long as it's legal, but the two instances are very different.

Religious rules are intended to control people -- that's all.
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Not quite. They didn't know about bacteria, but part of the process of making wine consisted of using water that had been boiled , which killed the bacteria.
 
Moonglow said:
It was new wine which is not fermented.
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If it was unfermented, then it wasn't wine, it was juice...it was also in the spring of the year so the grape harvest had long past...whatever they had at that time, it was definitely fermented...
 
marke said:
Drunkenness is a sin, but whether minimal drinking is a sin or not is between a penitent sinner and God. God does say wine and strong drink are things that are not wise to become involved with.
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Some religions have a fear of wine - others not.
The Jewish religion welcomes wine, and so does Christianity.

It is the Islam and the Mormons that do not allow wine.

Are you a Muslima or a Mormon?

Mormons don’t drink alcohol of any kind. The Word of Wisdom’s “strong drink” has been interpreted to mean any alcohol, including beer and wine. Some Mormons are even careful about putting any alcohol into food where it will be cooked out. Or using flavorings like rum flavoring in a drink like homemade eggnog. It is a bit of a gray area in my understanding whether or not alcohol in things like chocolates counts or not.
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Run and Not Be Weary: Why Mormons Don't Drink | HuffPost
 
Rumpel said:
And what what Jesus as a pour penitent sinner say to that? :(
And why did Jesus become so often "involved with" wine?
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The wine Jesus made was not like wine others made and Jesus never got drunk. People should be careful not to invoke Jesus' name to support drunkenness.
 
marke said:
The wine Jesus made was not like wine others made and Jesus never got drunk. People should be careful not to invoke Jesus' name to support drunkenness.
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You're right, evidently it was even more potent...:2razz:

"When the director of the feast tasted the water that had now been turned into wine, not knowing where it came from (although the servants who had drawn out the water knew), the director of the feast called the bridegroom 10 and said to him: “Everyone else puts out the fine wine first, and when people are intoxicated, the inferior. You have saved the fine wine until now.” John 2:9,10
 
Elvira said:
If it was unfermented, then it wasn't wine, it was juice...it was also in the spring of the year so the grape harvest had long past...whatever they had at that time, it was definitely fermented...
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During Passover no leavened items could be in the house, leaven is a product of fermentation and representative of sin thus the wine/fruit of the vine could not be fermented.
 
Moonglow said:
During Passover no leavened items could be in the house, leaven is a product of fermentation and representative of sin thus the wine/fruit of the vine could not be fermented.
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Wine was allowed to be drunk whereas all leaven of bread was forbidden, banned, under pain of death for a violator...Leviticus 23:5-13; Luke 22:7-20...

So, does the Bible treat all fermentations and their permeative power alike? Does the Bible treat only the permeating power caused by fermentation as the one factor that is to be considered, regardless of what causes the fermentation? The Scriptural answer is No! Otherwise, we would not find the apparent discrepancy at the celebration of the Passover and of the week-long festival of unleavened bread that followed the Passover.

It is apparent, therefore, that fermentation with its permeating power is, in itself, not the determining factor so that it occupies a status either good or bad as regards its symbolical meaning. Rather, the thing that is added to promote the fermentation is the determining factor. In the Holy Scriptures, the fermentation (as a factor) is not isolated from what causes it. Consequently, the fermentation that is naturally caused in wine making is not classified as being the same as the fermentation that is promoted in flour dough by an additive, yeast, namely leaven or sour dough.
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Things Which the “Kingdom of the Heavens” Is Like — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
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