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At What Age Do You Think....

Logician Man said:
a child/young adult, is actually mature, educated, intelligent enough to fully understand the data content of a holy text, and make personal, informed, rational decisions as to whether that holy text is actual, or not the truth ?
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16-21 is the start for most people. Many people never think critically about their religious beliefs and shut down emotionally or attack others if someone encourages them to start doing so.

I think children should be prohibited from taking part in any religious sacraments or services until they are 18, so they can make a conscious choice instead of having it forced upon them by family or society.
 
Risky Thicket said:
I have always admired you for the way you carry your faith. You are most certainly a credit to your beliefs.
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Key word, beliefs. Some beliefs end up not being what the person believed.

I wonder how many kids would never know about a god if they weren't taught about one?
 
bongsaway said:
Key word, beliefs. Some beliefs end up not being what the person believed.

I wonder how many kids would never know about a god if they weren't taught about one?
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Same pretty much applies to where one is born. 'Luck of the draw' , so to speak. Common sense tells us if one is born in Iraq, probably gonna be a Muslim. Born in U.S. ? Probably gonna be a Christian. India ?..Bring on Vishnu.Regardless of where you're born, or what religion your exposed to, most likely gonna stay with it. I think that's called 'human nature.' Parents tell ya their/your religion is the real deal, kids are are gonna run with that....understandably so.
 
Logician Man said:
Same pretty much applies to where one is born. 'Luck of the draw' , so to speak. Common sense tells us if one is born in Iraq, probably gonna be a Muslim. Born in U.S. ? Probably gonna be a Christian. India ?..Bring on Vishnu.Regardless of where you're born, or what religion your exposed to, most likely gonna stay with it. I think that's called 'human nature.' Parents tell ya their/your religion is the real deal, kids are are gonna run with that....understandably so.
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I was born in the Bible Belt of holy rollers, as were my children...believe me, being a JW is not the norm...:2razz:
 
Elvira said:
I was born in the Bible Belt of holy rollers, as were my children...believe me, being a JW is not the norm...:2razz:
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Me too. And being a skeptic, and expressing it openly, before you enter elementary school is DEFINATELY not the norm!!! :peace
 
Logician Man said:
Me too. And being a skeptic, and expressing it openly, before you enter elementary school is DEFINATELY not the norm!!! :peace
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Then you understand what it's like to swim upstream...:2razz:
 
Logician Man said:
Same pretty much applies to where one is born. 'Luck of the draw' , so to speak. Common sense tells us if one is born in Iraq, probably gonna be a Muslim. Born in U.S. ? Probably gonna be a Christian. India ?..Bring on Vishnu.Regardless of where you're born, or what religion your exposed to, most likely gonna stay with it. I think that's called 'human nature.' Parents tell ya their/your religion is the real deal, kids are are gonna run with that....understandably so.
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As long as you are not trying to push your beliefs onto others or your beliefs don't hurt anyone, except maybe yourself, go with it. Believe until your heart is content.
 
bongsaway said:
As long as you are not trying to push your beliefs onto others or your beliefs don't hurt anyone, except maybe yourself, go with it. Believe until your heart is content.
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Agreed, totally...That is part of my personal testimony I've put forth numerous times in this very forum, and elsewhere.
 
Logician Man said:
Agreed, totally...That is part of my personal testimony I've put forth numerous times in this very forum, and elsewhere.
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I have had more than a few people approach me with their religious beliefs, even come to the house wanting to talk jesus.

I've never had a single person come to my door saying, hi, mind if we chat about all that religious bullcrap, it's all a hoax. Gotta' minute?
 
bongsaway said:
I have had more than a few people approach me with their religious beliefs, even come to the house wanting to talk jesus.

I've never had a single person come to my door saying, hi, mind if we chat about all that religious bullcrap, it's all a hoax. Gotta' minute?
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I once told a religious door knocker I'd be happy, and open to their discussing religion, 'if' they would give me equal time and attention to share my non-religious views. They actually accepted, and we had a good discussion.
 
bongsaway said:
I have had more than a few people approach me with their religious beliefs, even come to the house wanting to talk jesus.

I've never had a single person come to my door saying, hi, mind if we chat about all that religious bullcrap, it's all a hoax. Gotta' minute?
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Well, if it was a JW, we certainly don't wanna turn you off right off the bat by tellin' you the honest truth...we wanna ease into it gradually...;)
 
Elvira said:
Well, if it was a JW, we certainly don't wanna turn you off right off the bat by tellin' you the honest truth...we wanna ease into it gradually...;)
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The honest truth elvira, I don't believe what you do, honest.
 
Logician Man said:
a child/young adult, is actually mature, educated, intelligent enough to fully understand the data content of a holy text, and make personal, informed, rational decisions as to whether that holy text is actual, or not truth ?
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I'd say around the junior high age. I do not agree with indoctrinating children into any ideology before they possess the education and ability required to make an informed decision on the subject.
 
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bongsaway said:
Would you be eating those things if you were a kosher jew? If not, why not?
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1st and foremost I am a Christian so I sure would because Jesus fulfilled/ended the Law...

"For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness" Romans 10:4

"Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hung upon a stake.” Galatians 3:13
 
NWO_Spook said:
I'd say around the junior high age. I do not agree with indoctrinating children into any ideology before they possess the education and ability required to make an informed decision on the subject.
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This is just my personal opinion, but I just can't get around the idea that what many/most religious folk, from any religious belief system, profess to label as 'teaching', is indeed more of an 'indoctrination.' Kids trust their parents, understandably so. But if kids are only exposed to one particular belief system in those 'formulative' years, and aren't equally informed as to what other religious doctrines teach, it's just human nature to accept that first particular religious exposure to be accepted as the ' one and only truth." That is why I taught my children to take it all with a grain of salt, study various different religious belief systems with the same veracity with which they study/studied their first religion, and be open to accepting whatever belief system they deem to make the most sense in regards to what is 'actual truth', if any, of the various religious doctrines. I just could never accept being given a holy text, being told it is the 'one and only' actual truth, believe it, or pay the price for not believing it. It's kinda like a threat, of sorts.
 
Omega Man said:
She did answer your question; however your question was loaded ("why did they need..."). The fact that they were her children, and she has the right to raise them ideologically as she sees fit fulfills the requirement as to an answer. And since it's not the answer you're looking for, you will not be satisfied. That however is not her problem. I don't agree at all whatsoever with her ideology, but I accept her answer.


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My question was "loaded" by statement to which I responded with that question.
 
nota bene said:
But she's not, so why are you asking this?
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To point out that in my opinion organized religion is a stretch at best One faith believes one thing, another faith another thing and yet all of this is supposed to originate from 'the bible'.

God or abraham or whoever decided not to eat shellfish or pork, that was a no no in the old testament. For the longest time some folks considered a tomato the devil's fruit.

You seem upset even though I can't get a tone through text. Anyone is welcome to believe as they wish, I wonder why I'm not welcome to disagree with their beliefs? I'm not calling people crazy or stupid for their beliefs, I just question them on what I consider a rational basis.
 
bongsaway said:
To point out that in my opinion organized religion is a stretch at best One faith believes one thing, another faith another thing and yet all of this is supposed to originate from 'the bible'.

God or abraham or whoever decided not to eat shellfish or pork, that was a no no in the old testament. For the longest time some folks considered a tomato the devil's fruit.

You seem upset even though I can't get a tone through text. Anyone is welcome to believe as they wish, I wonder why I'm not welcome to disagree with their beliefs? I'm not calling people crazy or stupid for their beliefs, I just question them on what I consider a rational basis.
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Just what is it you disagree with? You have not made that clear...
 
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