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At What Age Do You Think....

bongsaway said:
To point out that in my opinion organized religion is a stretch at best One faith believes one thing, another faith another thing and yet all of this is supposed to originate from 'the bible'.

God or abraham or whoever decided not to eat shellfish or pork, that was a no no in the old testament. For the longest time some folks considered a tomato the devil's fruit.

You seem upset even though I can't get a tone through text. Anyone is welcome to believe as they wish, I wonder why I'm not welcome to disagree with their beliefs? I'm not calling people crazy or stupid for their beliefs, I just question them on what I consider a rational basis.
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I'm not at all upset, and if I intended to convey distress or anger, you would have caught it in my tone. It was a simple question. I would expect an orthodox Jew to keep kosher. Who wouldn't? But why ask a Christian whether if she were an observant Jew, she would avoid shellfish and pork?
 
Logician Man said:
This is just my personal opinion, but I just can't get around the idea that what many/most religious folk, from any religious belief system, profess to label as 'teaching', is indeed more of an 'indoctrination.' Kids trust their parents, understandably so. But if kids are only exposed to one particular belief system in those 'formulative' years, and aren't equally informed as to what other religious doctrines teach, it's just human nature to accept that first particular religious exposure to be accepted as the ' one and only truth." That is why I taught my children to take it all with a grain of salt, study various different religious belief systems with the same veracity with which they study/studied their first religion, and be open to accepting whatever belief system they deem to make the most sense in regards to what is 'actual truth', if any, of the various religious doctrines. I just could never accept being given a holy text, being told it is the 'one and only' actual truth, believe it, or pay the price for not believing it. It's kinda like a threat, of sorts.
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Indeed, when one 'teaches' a religious subject without the balance of presenting all sides to a scenario/hypothesis, one is indoctrinating. As you point out, this indoctrination has a 'fear/threat' component built into and I remember it well from my own experience. This is not education.
 
NWO_Spook said:
Indeed, when one 'teaches' a religious subject without the balance of presenting all sides to a scenario/hypothesis, one is indoctrinating. As you point out, this indoctrination has a 'fear/threat' component built into and I remember it well from my own experience. This is not education.
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Just for clarity, and to be fair, I would offer that when one is 'taught', and/or 'educated' in one's youth about one specific religious doctrine, technically that is 'teaching' and 'educating.' But when the teacher/educator intentionally, and willfully chooses to shield/hide, or otherwise dismiss/degrade other religious doctrines from the ones being taught/educated...that is where it shifts to being an 'indoctrination.' The 'student' is not being taught 'full disclosure', regardless of intent. At least that's my personal opinion/take on such matters.
 
nota bene said:
I'm not at all upset, and if I intended to convey distress or anger, you would have caught it in my tone. It was a simple question. I would expect an orthodox Jew to keep kosher. Who wouldn't? But why ask a Christian whether if she were an observant Jew, she would avoid shellfish and pork?
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The whole point is in one religion eating shellfish and pork is a no no but in another religion it's fine. That to me says it's man made rules and not rules of god.
 
bongsaway said:
The whole point is in one religion eating shellfish and pork is a no no but in another religion it's fine. That to me says it's man made rules and not rules of god.
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That should say to you "I want to figure out which one is true/correct and which one is false/wrong"...
 
Elvira said:
That should say to you "I want to figure out which one is true/correct and which one is false/wrong"...
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Really? My solution is easier. I can eat whichever and whenever and don't have to worry about some god punishing me for it. As far as I'm concerned I'll go with C, they are both incorrect.
 
bongsaway said:
Really? My solution is easier. I can eat whichever and whenever and don't have to worry about some god punishing me for it. As far as I'm concerned I'll go with C, they are both incorrect.
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Your prerogative, your loss...
 
Elvira said:
Sure you can, you can lose out by refusing to accept...
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I've accepted it, I don't believe what you believe and don't feel like I've lost out on anything. Seems to me you are the one having a difficult time accepting I don't believe what you do and thusly will pay a price. Hogwash.
 
bongsaway said:
I've accepted it, I don't believe what you believe and don't feel like I've lost out on anything. Seems to me you are the one having a difficult time accepting I don't believe what you do and thusly will pay a price. Hogwash.
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You're right, I hate to see anyone choose death over life...
 
Elvira said:
You're right, I hate to see anyone choose death over life...
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Elvira, we're all dying, one day at a time. I'm alive and going to live like I'm alive, when I die I'll worry about the religious stuff then. Till then I choose to try to enjoy my life the way I wish instead of trying to live up to a books idea of what I should be doing. But thanks for the concern.

May I suggest worrying about your soul instead of trying to save mine?
 
Elvira said:
You're right, I hate to see anyone choose death over life...
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The big problem is that you can not show that they are doing so. You can make a claim, but you can not provide anything but speculation, personal belief, and religious rhetoric.
 
There is no age at which one can understand things that are completely made up. No one understands any of it, they just believe it.
 
bongsaway said:
Elvira, we're all dying, one day at a time. I'm alive and going to live like I'm alive, when I die I'll worry about the religious stuff then. Till then I choose to try to enjoy my life the way I wish instead of trying to live up to a books idea of what I should be doing. But thanks for the concern.

May I suggest worrying about your soul instead of trying to save mine?
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"Pay constant attention to yourself and to your teaching. Persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you." 1 Timothy 4:16
 
Logician Man said:
a child/young adult, is actually mature, educated, intelligent enough to fully understand the data content of a holy text, and make personal, informed, rational decisions as to whether that holy text is actual, or not truth ?
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There is nothing rational about belief in religion, IMO its an evolutionary genetic trait to believe withotu any evidence as a way of coping with evolving higher intelligence and what comes with it. So believers throw away ration. And if they have the disposition to believe no matter what, they won't do so rationally.

My dad made me go to sunday school, church. I always hated it, it was just something I had to do. Fortunately he was cool about it and let me decide after confirmation, so I never went again. My brother was the same way, even more questioning of the stuff they were teaching and how it didn't mesh with facts.

so I never believed. The more I got educated, the more it became obvious how ridiculous organized religion is
 
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Elvira said:
"Pay constant attention to yourself and to your teaching. Persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you." 1 Timothy 4:16
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Great, save yourself I'll pass on the offer.
 
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