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Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

That is a contradiction. You do NOT have to live a righteous existence if Jesus is going to wash your sins away. Which is it?

There are limits to what God will tolerate. You have to do your part. Jesus did his.
 
Whatever, as if you know what you are even talking about. Total fail as a thread...

Objection, Your Honour! :)
This thread is one of the best threads I have seen in this forum yet. :peace
 
@ Caspar

And where are Melchior and Balthasar?
They might not agree with you!
 
Why don't you know? Maybe more research into the various religions will answer your questions.

That particular part is scripture.

Which he is unfamiliar with...
 
It depends who you ask, but from an objective POV, they do not appear to be the same God. They have very distinct personalities and goals.

OTOH, the easiest way to give your religion gravitas is to appropriate another religion's God(s). Rome did it to Greece and the Christians and Muslims did it to the Jews (who may have done it to the Zoroastrians)
 
It depends who you ask, but from an objective POV, they do not appear to be the same God. They have very distinct personalities and goals.

OTOH, the easiest way to give your religion gravitas is to appropriate another religion's God(s). Rome did it to Greece and the Christians and Muslims did it to the Jews (who may have done it to the Zoroastrians)

We have a question mark here.
Sufi Islam is claimed to originate from the teacher Zoroaster.
I can see where the Zoroastrians incorporated Islam into their religion to save their heads.
Of course they are persecuted today just like every other sect of Islam.

Islam does not like, and kills, the "Bad Muslims".

who are the "Bad Muslims', you ask?????

Easy answer... the other ones.
 
Why are you always on the wrong side of Christian history, Ramoss?

The murder of John the Baptist was verified by the Jewish/Roman historian Josephus:

"Now some of the Jews thought that the destruction of Herod's army came from God, and was a very just punishment for what he did against John called the baptist [the dipper]. For Herod had him killed, although he was a good man and had urged the Jews to exert themselves to virtue, both as to justice toward one another and reverence towards God, and having done so join together in washing. For immersion in water, it was clear to him, could not be used for the forgiveness of sins, but as a sanctification of the body, and only if the soul was already thoroughly purified by right actions. And when others massed about him, for they were very greatly moved by his words, Herod, who feared that such strong influence over the people might carry to a revolt -- for they seemed ready to do any thing he should advise -- believed it much better to move now than later have it raise a rebellion and engage him in actions he would regret. And so John, out of Herod's suspiciousness, was sent in chains to Machaerus, the fort previously mentioned, and there put to death; but it was the opinion of the Jews that out of retribution for John God willed the destruction of the army so as to afflict Herod." - Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: 18.5.2 116-119

Josephus also mentions James, the brother of Jesus, being killed, in Antiquities, Book 20, chapter 9, paragraph 1:

"Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done."

And there's more:

"Clement of Rome (80-140 AD) confirmed Peter “endured not one but many labors, and thus having borne his testimony went to his appointed place of glory” (1 Clement 5:4). Clement also confirmed Paul “had been seven times in bonds, had been driven into exile, had been stoned” (1 Clement 5:5) and “when he had borne his testimony before the rulers, so he departed from the world and went unto the holy place, having been found a notable pattern of patient endurance” (1 Clement 5:6). Clement also described “sudden and repeated calamities and reverses which are befalling us” (1 Clement 1:1).

Ignatius (105-115 AD) described Paul as a martyr (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians, Chapter 12). He also described himself as a “a condemned man” and anticipated his martyrdom in Rome, where he would “become food for the wild beasts, through whose instrumentality it will be granted me to attain to God” (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Romans, Chapter 4). Ignatius also referred to the persecution of the Church in Antioch (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Philadelphians, Chapter 10).

Polycarp (110-140 AD) described the martyrdom of Paul “and the rest of the Apostles” in addition to the martyrdom of “Ignatius and Zosimus and Rufus” along with “others also who came from among yourselves” (Letter of Polycarp to the Philippians 9:1)"

Were the Early Christians Really Persecuted? | Cold Case Christianity

Once again, your bogus claims and heretical rantings are clearly on display.

#fakehistory
 
Yet, that has nothing to do with John the Baptist being 'christian'. Do try to actually give accurate information someday. And, you really should vet your sources , 'cold case christianity' indeed.

You have some very strange ideas on that. Nothing mainstream about them.
 
There are three of them now - the Holy Trinity.

The answer to the question can be explained with the concept of the Trinity. The Trinity is composed of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

One way to explain this enigma is consider a man named Joe. Joe is a husband to his wife, a father to his children, and a son to his parents. He is one person, but he interacts with each family member in different ways. He is firm but fair with his children. He is loving and intimate with his wife, and he is respectful and compliant to his parents. He is still one person, but he specializes his personally to the needs of each. While each family member relates to him in a parallel way.

To the Jews, God is the Father, to the Christians God is the son, and to the Muslims he is the Holy Spirit, incarnated. The unique position in the world order of Christianity occurred because Christians are the most diversified, with all three aspect of the Holy Spirit allowable and represented. There are the "by the book" fire and brimstone Christians; Father. There are the more feeling based Christians; love, connected to God the Son, and there are the more creative and spontaneous worshippers, connected to the Holy Spirit.

They are one family, who gets together during the holidays. This is like a family during the holidays where parents, children and spouses are all in the same room. Joe has to relate to all at the same time, which merges Joes into the unique person he is. He become more playful with his children, he become bolder with his parents, and more of a goof with his wife. Some alcohol may have been consumed. Come Monday and it is back to work, and the trinity in Joe returns, helping to maximize his family.
 
The answer to the question can be explained with the concept of the Trinity. The Trinity is composed of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

One way to explain this enigma is consider a man named Joe. Joe is a husband to his wife, a father to his children, and a son to his parents. He is one person, but he interacts with each family member in different ways. He is firm but fair with his children. He is loving and intimate with his wife, and he is respectful and compliant to his parents. He is still one person, but he specializes his personally to the needs of each. While each family member relates to him in a parallel way.

To the Jews, God is the Father, to the Christians God is the son, and to the Muslims he is the Holy Spirit, incarnated. The unique position in the world order of Christianity occurred because Christians are the most diversified, with all three aspect of the Holy Spirit allowable and represented. There are the "by the book" fire and brimstone Christians; Father. There are the more feeling based Christians; love, connected to God the Son, and there are the more creative and spontaneous worshippers, connected to the Holy Spirit.

They are one family, who gets together during the holidays. This is like a family during the holidays where parents, children and spouses are all in the same room. Joe has to relate to all at the same time, which merges Joes into the unique person he is. He become more playful with his children, he become bolder with his parents, and more of a goof with his wife. Some alcohol may have been consumed. Come Monday and it is back to work, and the trinity in Joe returns, helping to maximize his family.

:giggle1:
 
This comes up a lot, in a hand wave type of logic.
The God of Abraham

The Jews invented the God as we know it, granted much info came from previous religions, Summarian, etc.
They have the patient on it.

"Invented," or, came from? Which is it?




The Christians stole the God from the Jews,

Worshipping the same God.....isn't stealing from the Jews.




added more Gods to it, changed the rules, and turned on the Jews.

The concept of the Triune God is part of the Old Testament.

The rules has not changed - the Commandments are still intact.
Some Mosaic laws became obsolete due to the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Christians didn't turn on the Jews. Lol. Almost all apostles were Jews! :lol:




The Muslims then stole the God,

Worshipping the same God.....isn't stealing.




eliminated the Christian Gods, instilled their own prophet,

i don't think they eliminated the Abrahamic God, but they did install their own prophet.



changed the rules again, and turned on the Jews and the Christians.

The prophet came up with his own book, with its own rules.




Now God is either a wishy/washy schizophrenic, who simply cannot make up his mind.


What wishy-washy thought is that? It defies logic!

Your opinion says it is men who either invented, or borrowed or stole, and it's also men who changed the rules....... and you're blaming God???? :mrgreen:



Or they are different Gods.

You're utterly confused. :lol:
 
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This comes up a lot, in a hand wave type of logic.
The God of Abraham

The Jews invented the God as we know it, granted much info came from previous religions, Summarian, etc.
They have the patient on it.

The Christians stole the God from the Jews,
added more Gods to it, changed the rules, and turned on the Jews.

The Muslims then stole the God,
eliminated the Christian Gods, instilled their own prophet,
changed the rules again, and turned on the Jews and the Christians.


Now God is either a wishy/washy schizophrenic, who simply cannot make up his mind.

Or they are different Gods.

This fact is why they call the 3 monotheistic religions the Abrahamic religions. The religious wars in the middle east can be thought of a form of sibling rivalry of which child or sect their god approves and loves the most.

Surprisingly to most people, the Islamic faith acknowledges this because Jesus is a prophet in that religion.
These crimes occur in a conducive environment. A Pew Research Center survey in 2017 rated Muslims at 48 degrees, the lowest on a 0-100 "feeling thermometer" out of nine religious groups in the United States, two points lower than atheists. Particularly negative feelings towards Muslims were harbored by Republicans and those who were Republican-leaning.

The irony here is that most Americans really have no idea what is in the Quran, the Muslim equivalent of the Bible, beyond the mostly negative and out of context soundbites they hear on talk radio, cable TV or the internet. They have no idea that the three monotheistic religions that follow the same Abrahamic tradition, namely that Abraham was the first prophet of God, are Judaism, Christianity and yes, the third sibling, Islam.

All three religions were born in the Middle East and are inextricably linked to each another. While Christianity was born from within the Jewish tradition, Islam developed from both Christianity and Judaism. In fact, Islam sees itself as the culmination of the Abrahamic faiths, the final revelation by God in the monotheistic tradition.

The Quran specifically protects Jews and Christians as Peoples of the Book, the "Book" meaning revelations from God to Jews and Christians which gives them a spiritual connection to Islam.

As such, Islam recognizes as prophets many of the figures revered by Jews and Christians, including Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. For Muslims, Muhammad is not a divine being. Instead, he is a prophet through whom God delivered his message and an example of piety to emulate. Muhammad is not the equivalent of Jesus in the Islamic tradition, rather it is the Quran that occupies the same central position in Islam as Jesus does in Christianity.

It would surprise many to know that the Prophet Muhammad is only mentioned a total of four times in the Quran while Jesus, the son of Mary, is mentioned 25 times and Moses 136 times. The Quran dedicates a whole chapter to Mary, who is the only woman mentioned by name in the sacred text

The Muslim Jesus provides common ground for Christianity, Islam | National Catholic Reporter
 
And where did the "Holy Ghost" cone from, so all of a sudden?
 
Of course they do. It is how the faithful characterise this figure in their respective mythologies that differs.
 
And where did the "Holy Ghost" cone from, so all of a sudden?

It comes from the misunderstanding of the Hebrew term Ruach and how the Jewish faith applied it to God. . The 'breath' of God is used as a term for God when God is creating. the 'breath' of God seperated water and land, The breath of God gave life to man.
Since the breath of god gave life(spirit) to man, it was construed by Christians to be 'spirit'. Without breathing, there is no animation of man, no spirit of man. Where the Jews saw the 'breath of God'. Somehow, the early Christians seperated the 'Holy Spirit' from merely being another term for God to be something more. Then they add the worship of Jesus, and run up against the first commandment, which by then was being interpreted as there only being one God. To reconcile the 'there is only one God', with the 'father son, and holy ghost', and thus the trinity was born.
 
This fact is why they call the 3 monotheistic religions the Abrahamic religions. The religious wars in the middle east can be thought of a form of sibling rivalry of which child or sect their god approves and loves the most.

Surprisingly to most people, the Islamic faith acknowledges this because Jesus is a prophet in that religion.


The Muslim Jesus provides common ground for Christianity, Islam | National Catholic Reporter

The irony here is that most Americans really have no idea what is in the Quran, the Muslim equivalent of the Bible, beyond the mostly negative and out of context soundbites they hear on talk radio, cable TV or the internet.

Context is a fascinating subject when applied to quotes from the Qur'an. There are many examples in which the Qur'an speaks of a specific incident, and then follows it up with a general statement meant as a lesson. For example, surah 8 was revealed after the Battle of Badr, which was the first major battle between the Muslims and the Meccan pagans. It is part recap of the battle, and part call to arms in a general and on-going sense. Verses 12-13 are a case in point:

"I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in penalty".

This says that the Meccans were fought because they refused to follow Mohamed, but is stated in a way as to suggest broader, on-going applicability. Context tells us why a statement is made, but the statement itself says what it says, independent of the context in which it was written.
 
All you have to do to prove me wrong is to provide a quote from scripture in which limits to God's forgiveness are given. Easy peasy.

"For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come." Matthew 12:32

"For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, but there is a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a burning indignation that is going to consume those in opposition." Hebrews 10:26,27

"For as regards those who were once enlightened and who have tasted the heavenly free gift and who have become partakers of holy spirit and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, but have fallen away, it is impossible to revive them again to repentance, because they nail the Son of God to the stake again for themselves and expose him to public shame." Hebrews 6:4-6
 
The religious wars in the middle east can be thought of as a form of sibling rivalry, of which child or sect their god approves and loves the most.Surprisingly to most people, the Islamic faith acknowledges this because Jesus is a prophet in that religion.

Yup, I agree

All three religions were born in the Middle East and are inextricably linked to each another. While Christianity was born from within the Jewish tradition, Islam developed from both Christianity and Judaism. In fact, Islam sees itself as the culmination of the Abrahamic faiths, the final revelation by God in the monotheistic tradition.

Yes, and no, but mostly yes. For the first 12 years of Islam, Mohamed was in Mecca trying to convince the pagans to abandon polytheism in favor of monotheism with him as their leader. He tried to do this by repeating all of the fire and brimstone accounts from the OT, and added virtual nothing unique that would set Islam apart from Judaism. The ONLY exception is that Mohamed claimed that God had chosen him to receive God.3.0. The 'no' part comes in with Christianity. None of the bible stories Mohamed tried to scare the pagans with were from the NT. Jesus and Mary are the only NT characters spoken of, and only in terms of Jesus being a mortal prophet and Mary being a virtuous woman. Believing Jesus to be the son of God is described as "a thing most monstrous (19:88-89)".
 
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