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    Re: Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    That is a contradiction. You do NOT have to live a righteous existence if Jesus is going to wash your sins away. Which is it?
    There are limits to what God will tolerate. You have to do your part. Jesus did his.
    We walk by faith, not by sight.

    So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

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    Re: Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    Whatever, as if you know what you are even talking about. Total fail as a thread...
    Objection, Your Honour!
    This thread is one of the best threads I have seen in this forum yet.
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    Re: Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

    @ Caspar

    And where are Melchior and Balthasar?
    They might not agree with you!
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    Re: Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Why don't you know?
    I do know. I was only asking a friendly question.
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    Re: Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Why don't you know? Maybe more research into the various religions will answer your questions.

    That particular part is scripture.
    Which he is unfamiliar with...
    "For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but through the one who subjected it, on the basis of hope that the creation itself will also be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God. " Romans 8:20,21

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    Re: Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

    It depends who you ask, but from an objective POV, they do not appear to be the same God. They have very distinct personalities and goals.

    OTOH, the easiest way to give your religion gravitas is to appropriate another religion's God(s). Rome did it to Greece and the Christians and Muslims did it to the Jews (who may have done it to the Zoroastrians)
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    Re: Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

    Quote Originally Posted by eman623 View Post
    It depends who you ask, but from an objective POV, they do not appear to be the same God. They have very distinct personalities and goals.

    OTOH, the easiest way to give your religion gravitas is to appropriate another religion's God(s). Rome did it to Greece and the Christians and Muslims did it to the Jews (who may have done it to the Zoroastrians)
    We have a question mark here.
    Sufi Islam is claimed to originate from the teacher Zoroaster.
    I can see where the Zoroastrians incorporated Islam into their religion to save their heads.
    Of course they are persecuted today just like every other sect of Islam.

    Islam does not like, and kills, the "Bad Muslims".

    who are the "Bad Muslims', you ask?????

    Easy answer... the other ones.

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    Re: Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    There are limits to what God will tolerate. You have to do your part. Jesus did his.
    Wrong. No limits are EVER specified.
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    Re: Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    There are limits to what God will tolerate. You have to do your part. Jesus did his.
    Your existence suggests that god will tolerate anything.
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    Re: Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Why are you always on the wrong side of Christian history, Ramoss?

    The murder of John the Baptist was verified by the Jewish/Roman historian Josephus:

    "Now some of the Jews thought that the destruction of Herod's army came from God, and was a very just punishment for what he did against John called the baptist [the dipper]. For Herod had him killed, although he was a good man and had urged the Jews to exert themselves to virtue, both as to justice toward one another and reverence towards God, and having done so join together in washing. For immersion in water, it was clear to him, could not be used for the forgiveness of sins, but as a sanctification of the body, and only if the soul was already thoroughly purified by right actions. And when others massed about him, for they were very greatly moved by his words, Herod, who feared that such strong influence over the people might carry to a revolt -- for they seemed ready to do any thing he should advise -- believed it much better to move now than later have it raise a rebellion and engage him in actions he would regret. And so John, out of Herod's suspiciousness, was sent in chains to Machaerus, the fort previously mentioned, and there put to death; but it was the opinion of the Jews that out of retribution for John God willed the destruction of the army so as to afflict Herod." - Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: 18.5.2 116-119

    Josephus also mentions James, the brother of Jesus, being killed, in Antiquities, Book 20, chapter 9, paragraph 1:

    "Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done."

    And there's more:

    "Clement of Rome (80-140 AD) confirmed Peter “endured not one but many labors, and thus having borne his testimony went to his appointed place of glory” (1 Clement 5:4). Clement also confirmed Paul “had been seven times in bonds, had been driven into exile, had been stoned” (1 Clement 5:5) and “when he had borne his testimony before the rulers, so he departed from the world and went unto the holy place, having been found a notable pattern of patient endurance” (1 Clement 5:6). Clement also described “sudden and repeated calamities and reverses which are befalling us” (1 Clement 1:1).

    Ignatius (105-115 AD) described Paul as a martyr (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians, Chapter 12). He also described himself as a “a condemned man” and anticipated his martyrdom in Rome, where he would “become food for the wild beasts, through whose instrumentality it will be granted me to attain to God” (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Romans, Chapter 4). Ignatius also referred to the persecution of the Church in Antioch (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Philadelphians, Chapter 10).

    Polycarp (110-140 AD) described the martyrdom of Paul “and the rest of the Apostles” in addition to the martyrdom of “Ignatius and Zosimus and Rufus” along with “others also who came from among yourselves” (Letter of Polycarp to the Philippians 9:1)"

    Were the Early Christians Really Persecuted? | Cold Case Christianity

    Once again, your bogus claims and heretical rantings are clearly on display.
    #fakehistory
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