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Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

Rumpel said:
In effect you said so.
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Just because you misread it, doesn't mean I said it.

I said Christians were the big umbrella and Catholics are underneath that umbrella. Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity, it isn't all of Christianity.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I agree, however we have to remember that Catholic was the main Christian outlet until the mid 1500's.

Now many Christians do not consider Catholic's, Christian.
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Disagree. First century Christians weren't "Catholics". They were just followers of Christ.
 
Josie said:
Disagree. First century Christians weren't "Catholics". They were just followers of Christ.
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The first three, but they were a small group, starting to influence Rome, but Constantine took over, and Catholicism invaded Europe for a thousand years.

and at this point Christ was not the son of God, just a teacher.

It was the Council of Nicaea that gave him his divinity by vote.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
This comes up a lot, in a hand wave type of logic.
The God of Abraham

The Jews invented the God as we know it, granted much info came from previous religions, Summarian, etc.
They have the patient on it.

The Christians stole the God from the Jews,
added more Gods to it, changed the rules, and turned on the Jews.

The Muslims then stole the God,
eliminated the Christian Gods, instilled their own prophet,
changed the rules again, and turned on the Jews and the Christians.

Now God is either a wishy/washy schizophrenic, who simply cannot make up his mind.

Or they are different Gods.
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God is God regardless of who He is or isn't.

God cannot be proven.

The Material conception of God does not exist and this is not always true.

Since He cannot be understood, God will be any personality or Religion to you and judge you according to that law.
 
Exquisitor said:
God is God regardless of who He is or isn't.

God cannot be proven.

The Material conception of God does not exist and this is not always true.

Since He cannot be understood, God will be any personality or Religion to you and judge you according to that law.
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I have to disagree there.
some religions are good, some are pure evil.
What can put you in hell in one religion, can send you to heaven in another.
 
My God sent his only begotten Son to die [and be reborn] for all of us, washed away our sins and promised everlasting life in Heaven. All we had to do was believe and live a righteous existence.
 
WCH said:
My God sent his only begotten Son to die [and be reborn] for all of us, washed away our sins and promised everlasting life in Heaven.

Beat that!
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Nice theory, a little preposterous from outside your bubble, but whatever makes you feel good.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Probably unanswerable, but IMO, if you are really looking for God, you are not going to find him in a book.
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Where else but in God's Word will you find out what His commandments are or what His will is in order to follow them, which is the requirement for serving Him in the right way? There is nowhere else...
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I have to disagree there.
some religions are good, some are pure evil.
What can put you in hell in one religion, can send you to heaven in another.
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Satan doesn't need to write any counterfeit Scripture, he just uses to ones that God writes.

God is not infallible, and he does not bestow infallibility upon anyone else or their writings.

God is a prolific writer and he creates many religions to have a variety of people.

Particularly on this planet; to avoid the deception we are prone to if the whole Earth is of one God.

Heaven and Hell and the teachings of various Religions on them are immaterial.

Your conversation is about polarization.

To convert by the sword is found in the Christian Scriptures as well, look what Christ does when He returns.
 
Elvira said:
Where else but in God's Word will you find out what His commandments are or what His will is in order to follow them, which is the requirement for serving Him in the right way? There is nowhere else...
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but all that crap is "Mans word", common in all religions are the people close to the Gods telling the sheep what God wants them to do.
And BTW, Money is usually involved, God does not budget well.
 
WCH said:
My God sent his only begotten Son to die [and be reborn] for all of us, washed away our sins and promised everlasting life in Heaven. All we had to do was believe and live a righteous existence.
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So in your logic they are not the same God.
 
Exquisitor said:
Satan doesn't need to write any counterfeit Scripture, he just uses to ones that God writes.

God is not infallible, and he does not bestow infallibility upon anyone else or their writings.

God is a prolific writer and he creates many religions to have a variety of people.

Particularly on this planet; to avoid the deception we are prone to if the whole Earth is of one God.

Heaven and Hell and the teachings of various Religions on them are immaterial.

Your conversation is about polarization.

To convert by the sword is found in the Christian Scriptures as well, look what Christ does when He returns.
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A Christian's armor is quite different...the sword being God's Word...

"Stand firm, therefore, with the belt of truth fastened around your waist, wearing the breastplate of righteousness, and having your feet shod in readiness to declare the good news of peace. Besides all of this, take up the large shield of faith, with which you will be able to extinguish all the wicked one’s burning arrows. Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word," Ephesians 6:14-17
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but all that crap is "Mans word", common in all religions are the people close to the Gods telling the sheep what God wants them to do.
And BTW, Money is usually involved, God does not budget well.
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The only thing is, if one puts God's Word into action, it works to unite people and help them to grow to love one another and live in peace, regardless of the violent world around them...and there's no offering plate...
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I have to disagree there.
some religions are good, some are pure evil.
What can put you in hell in one religion, can send you to heaven in another.
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When I say Judge according to Religion, I do not mean that a suicide bomber attains his promise.

I don't know what suicide bombers get, probably his victims as classmates and him as a jackass that likes virgins unless he repented and received instruction.

All these Karmas must weave and weave into a seamless garment.

To be truly lost is to miss a place in it, or be the cause of its unrendering.
 
WCH said:
My God sent his only begotten Son to die [and be reborn] for all of us, washed away our sins and promised everlasting life in Heaven. All we had to do was believe and live a righteous existence.
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If I believe in Lord Krishna and lead a righteous existence will I and millions of Hindus be ok?
 
Exquisitor said:
Satan doesn't need to write any counterfeit Scripture, he just uses to ones that God writes.

God is not infallible, and he does not bestow infallibility upon anyone else or their writings.

God is a prolific writer and he creates many religions to have a variety of people.

Particularly on this planet; to avoid the deception we are prone to if the whole Earth is of one God.

Heaven and Hell and the teachings of various Religions on them are immaterial.

Your conversation is about polarization.

To convert by the sword is found in the Christian Scriptures as well, look what Christ does when He returns.
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According to the Bible he is 2000 years too late.
 
WCH said:
My God sent his only begotten Son to die [and be reborn] for all of us, washed away our sins and promised everlasting life in Heaven. All we had to do was believe and live a righteous existence.
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Do you speak in your own words - or are reading from a script?

Do you really talk like this: "... his only begotten Son ...."?
 
zyzygy said:
If I believe in Lord Krishna and lead a righteous existence will I and millions of Hindus be ok?
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You should be! At least I think so! :)
 
In the beginning Yahwe was simply some weather God - among other Gods.
Then slowly he got promoted and worked his way up to become Number One - and finally the only one.

His origins reach at least to the early Iron Age and apparently to the Late Bronze,[4] and in the oldest biblical literature he is a storm-and-warrior deity[5] who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies.[6] At that time the Israelites worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal .....
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Yahweh - Wikipedia
 
Yasureoktoo said:
This comes up a lot, in a hand wave type of logic.
The God of Abraham

The Jews invented the God as we know it, granted much info came from previous religions, Summarian, etc.
They have the patient on it.

The Christians stole the God from the Jews,
added more Gods to it, changed the rules, and turned on the Jews.

The Muslims then stole the God,
eliminated the Christian Gods, instilled their own prophet,
changed the rules again, and turned on the Jews and the Christians.


Now God is either a wishy/washy schizophrenic, who simply cannot make up his mind.

Or they are different Gods.
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The Muslims did not eliminate the "Christian Gods". They consider Jesus to be a prophet. One might look at that as a demotion.

Jews and Muslims got along pretty well until the establishment of Israel and European imperialism. Generally, when anti-Semitic attacks increase, attacks on Muslims increase as well. And then Christians say "let's you and him fight."
 
And in the begining Yahwe also was married und had a wife:

"The inscription is a petition for a blessing," she shares. "Crucially, the inscription asks for a blessing from 'Yahweh and his Asherah.' Here was evidence that presented Yahweh and Asherah as a divine pair. And now a handful of similar inscriptions have since been found, all of which help to strengthen the case that the God of the Bible once had a wife."
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More about it:

Did God have a wife? Scholar says he did - Technology & science - Science - DiscoveryNews.com | NBC News
 
j brown's body said:
The Muslims did not eliminate the "Christian Gods". They consider Jesus to be a prophet. One might look at that as a demotion.

Jews and Muslims got along pretty well until the establishment of Israel and European imperialism. Generally, when anti-Semitic attacks increase, attacks on Muslims increase as well. And then Christians say "let's you and him fight."
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The Muslims eliminated the trinity concept, and the saints.

a rose by any other name, is still a rose.

and cut the BS about Muslims revering Jesus.
They invented a totally different Jesus, who BTW was a Muslim. 700 years before Muslims were invented.

and it is just insane to say that Jews and muslims got along pretty well at any time except for special conditions.

First of all, they did not re-write the religion, Jews have been condemned by Islam for 1400 years.
Yes, by Big Mo Himself.

They got along when the Jews were the military superior.
They somewhat got along, at least protected, when they were Dhiminies, and paid dearly for it.
They got along temporarily, when they joined sides to fight a common enemy.

5:52 ] O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another.
And whoso among you takes them for friends is indeed one of them. Verily, Allah guides not the unjust people.

as I said, they did not re-write the religion.
 
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