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100 Years (Human Life Span) Relative To All Eternity

Dragonfly

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For the ease of discussion, lets say that the human life span is 100 years. Most less, but some more, so it's just easy to call it a nice round 100.

Now I know it's impossible, but picture a timeline that represents eternity.

How small of a dot would that 100 year human life span be on the timeline of eternity? A microdot? A millidot? A pecodot? Could the human eye even detect that dot?
Probably not right?

So why then would a god that's dealing with time in eternal parameters judge, and condemn or reward an eternal existence to another entity based solely on that 100 years of Earth life?

Or a better question might be why would a "loving god" do that? I think we could all understand that a bitter savage god might do such a thing.

This becomes even more of a quandary when thinking about the random chance/luck around how, when, where, and to whom one is born.

The human that is born into a North Korean existence is going to have a much different opportunity at life and it's questions than the human born into a North American existence. Correct?

The human born into a 12th century existence vs the one born today.
The human born into a Islamic culture vs the one born into a Hindu culture vs the one born into a Mormon culture.
The human born with drug addictions and poverty vs the one born to truly caring and loving parents with wealth.

All these things shape and direct how and what a person will learn and believe in their very short lifetime. Yet we're supposed to believe they'll be judged and condemned/rewarded, for all eternity, on/for things that are completely out of their control?

Why would a loving god punish a human for eternity who was born, raised, and then died devoutly believing in a Hindu culture when that's all he/she knew?

How does one justify the rationality that your eternal condition is based solely and only on the 100 (probably less) years you spend on Earth?
Figuring in that your time on Earth has so many variables that are completely out of your own control.
 
Which is precisely why there is no burning hell...it does not compute with justice or a loving God...removing one bad apple from the apple cart does save the rest of the apple cart, though...
 
Elvira said:
Which is precisely why there is no burning hell...it does not compute with justice or a loving God...removing one bad apple from the apple cart does save the rest of the apple cart, though...
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Let me ask you this:

As a christian, what is the eternal afterlife for someone who was born and raised a Hindu? They devoutly followed the Hindu faith just as you devoutly follow the christian faith you believe.

Their belief and devotion to their faith are exactly equal to yours. They do their very best to life the most sacred life according to Hindu principles as possible.

How would their eternity, after life on Earth, differ from yours?
 
Dragonfly said:
Let me ask you this:

As a christian, what is the eternal afterlife for someone who was born and raised a Hindu? They devoutly followed the Hindu faith just as you devoutly follow the christian faith you believe.

Their belief and devotion to their faith are exactly equal to yours. They do their very best to life the most sacred life according to Hindu principles as possible.

How would their eternity, after life on Earth, differ from yours?
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The Bible says what gives us everlasting life?

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." John 3:16

The Bible also says...

“I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”​ Acts 24:15

Those who have never heard of Jesus Christ will be given their chance...

Who will be included in the group that Paul called “the unrighteous”? They are the billions of humans who have lived and died, many without ever having an opportunity to understand and apply Bible truth. After their resurrection, they will be able to come to know and appreciate Jehovah* and Jesus. (John 17:3) All those who choose to serve God will have the prospect of living as long as Jehovah himself lives​—forever.
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Is There Hope for the Dead? — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
Dragonfly said:
What does this mean? What are you referring to?
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Is it not self-explanatory? If you have a cart of apples and one begins to rot, if you do not remove it, it will cause all your apples to rot...remove the rotten apple and you save the rest...
 
Elvira said:
Those who have never heard of Jesus Christ will be given their chance...
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Suppose they had heard of Jesus, but remained dedicated to Hinduism, just as you've heard of Hinduism and reject it?

Them what? What's their eternity?
 
Elvira said:
Is it not self-explanatory? If you have a cart of apples and one begins to rot, if you do not remove it, it will cause all your apples to rot...remove the rotten apple and you save the rest...
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Who, specifically, are the "rotten apples"?
 
Dragonfly said:
Suppose they had heard of Jesus, but remained dedicated to Hinduism, just as you've heard of Hinduism and reject it?

Them what? What's their eternity?
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John 3:16...
 
Elvira said:
John 3:16...
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Elvira said:
John 3:16...
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Don't cop-out now.

Answer the question in your own words.
You know, like a grown up.

What happens to Jewish folks for eternity?
What happens to Hindus for eternity?
What happens to Muslims for eternity?

For that matter, since you're a JW, what happens to Roman Catholics for eternity?

And again, from the OP, why does eternity depend on what happens here on Earth, which is but a nanosecond's worth of time in the grand scheme of things?

Or, are you suggesting that after we die, there's still a chance or opportunity to reformulate our beliefs based on whatever it is we learn after we die?
A second chance "do-over" as it were?
 
the flower might as well ask God why it wilts. we're really nothing more than anything else that grows and is eventually harvested. to paraphrase the poet Jared Carter, "Go ahead and ride, kid, while you got the chance."
 
Dragonfly said:
Don't cop-out now.

Answer the question in your own words.
You know, like a grown up.

What happens to Jewish folks for eternity?
What happens to Hindus for eternity?
What happens to Muslims for eternity?

For that matter, since you're a JW, what happens to Roman Catholics for eternity?

And again, from the OP, why does eternity depend on what happens here on Earth, which is but a nanosecond's worth of time in the grand scheme of things?

Or, are you suggesting that after we die, there's still a chance or opportunity to reformulate our beliefs based on whatever it is we learn after we die?
A second chance "do-over" as it were?
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Read the scripture...it tells you what happens to them...:roll:
 
Dragonfly said:
For the ease of discussion, lets say that the human life span is 100 years. Most less, but some more, so it's just easy to call it a nice round 100.

Now I know it's impossible, but picture a timeline that represents eternity.

How small of a dot would that 100 year human life span be on the timeline of eternity? A microdot? A millidot? A pecodot? Could the human eye even detect that dot?
Probably not right?

So why then would a god that's dealing with time in eternal parameters judge, and condemn or reward an eternal existence to another entity based solely on that 100 years of Earth life?

Or a better question might be why would a "loving god" do that? I think we could all understand that a bitter savage god might do such a thing.

This becomes even more of a quandary when thinking about the random chance/luck around how, when, where, and to whom one is born.

The human that is born into a North Korean existence is going to have a much different opportunity at life and it's questions than the human born into a North American existence. Correct?

The human born into a 12th century existence vs the one born today.
The human born into a Islamic culture vs the one born into a Hindu culture vs the one born into a Mormon culture.
The human born with drug addictions and poverty vs the one born to truly caring and loving parents with wealth.

All these things shape and direct how and what a person will learn and believe in their very short lifetime. Yet we're supposed to believe they'll be judged and condemned/rewarded, for all eternity, on/for things that are completely out of their control?

Why would a loving god punish a human for eternity who was born, raised, and then died devoutly believing in a Hindu culture when that's all he/she knew?

How does one justify the rationality that your eternal condition is based solely and only on the 100 (probably less) years you spend on Earth?
Figuring in that your time on Earth has so many variables that are completely out of your own control.
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deleted. I see your point.



Originally Posted by Dragonfly


What happens to Jewish folks for eternity?
What happens to Hindus for eternity?
What happens to Muslims for eternity?

For that matter, since you're a JW, what happens to Roman Catholics for eternity?

And again, from the OP, why does eternity depend on what happens here on Earth, which is but a nanosecond's worth of time in the grand scheme of things?

Or, are you suggesting that after we die, there's still a chance or opportunity to reformulate our beliefs based on whatever it is we learn after we die?
A second chance "do-over" as it were?
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How God will judge each person will be up to Him.

Luke 12
47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.

48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows.





James 3
Taming the Tongue
3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.


As an example, a preacher who spreads false teachings that lead others astray would be judged more harshly.

Does that answer your question?
 
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Dragonfly said:
For the ease of discussion, lets say that the human life span is 100 years. Most less, but some more, so it's just easy to call it a nice round 100.

Now I know it's impossible, but picture a timeline that represents eternity.

How small of a dot would that 100 year human life span be on the timeline of eternity? A microdot? A millidot? A pecodot? Could the human eye even detect that dot?
Probably not right?

So why then would a god that's dealing with time in eternal parameters judge, and condemn or reward an eternal existence to another entity based solely on that 100 years of Earth life?

Or a better question might be why would a "loving god" do that? I think we could all understand that a bitter savage god might do such a thing.

This becomes even more of a quandary when thinking about the random chance/luck around how, when, where, and to whom one is born.

The human that is born into a North Korean existence is going to have a much different opportunity at life and it's questions than the human born into a North American existence. Correct?

The human born into a 12th century existence vs the one born today.
The human born into a Islamic culture vs the one born into a Hindu culture vs the one born into a Mormon culture.
The human born with drug addictions and poverty vs the one born to truly caring and loving parents with wealth.

All these things shape and direct how and what a person will learn and believe in their very short lifetime. Yet we're supposed to believe they'll be judged and condemned/rewarded, for all eternity, on/for things that are completely out of their control?

Why would a loving god punish a human for eternity who was born, raised, and then died devoutly believing in a Hindu culture when that's all he/she knew?

How does one justify the rationality that your eternal condition is based solely and only on the 100 (probably less) years you spend on Earth?
Figuring in that your time on Earth has so many variables that are completely out of your own control.
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You don't understand, the earth and universe is only 10,000 years old. The end is near. :doh
 
Dragonfly said:
Why can't you converse like an adult?

Just state it in plain and simple words.

Are you embarrassed by it?
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Nope, I just don't play stupid games...I gave you the source for what I believe happens, if you don't wanna acknowledge that, so be it...
 
tosca1 said:
Who sez it's based solely on 100 years on earth?
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Isn't that what most christians preach?

tosca1 said:
Can you grasp the concept of ETERNITY?
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Of course not. I don't think anyone can.

So tell me, what else might our eternity be based on? And where do you get this information from?
 
Elvira said:
Nope, I just don't play stupid games...I gave you the source for what I believe happens, if you don't wanna acknowledge that, so be it...
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Then stop posting in my threads. Simple as that.

If you can't, or won't communicate, leave.
 
Elvira said:
Which is precisely why there is no burning hell...it does not compute with justice or a loving God...removing one bad apple from the apple cart does save the rest of the apple cart, though...
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You think Bible is denying Hell? (what I think about Hell is that.. it's something what happens when someone is turning back to God, so God is turning back too and leaving individual alone, forever away from God is what Hell is). Maybe you can point out that's false assumption. I'm not expert on anything and I'm not aware of how religious logic works. School me :)
 
Dragonfly said:
Isn't that what most christians preach?



Of course not. I don't think anyone can.

So tell me, what else might our eternity be based on? And where do you get this information from?
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I edited. Check it out.
 
Dragonfly said:
Then stop posting in my threads. Simple as that.

If you can't, or won't communicate, leave.
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Don't dictate how I should answer your questions...
 
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