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[W: 178] May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

Rumpel

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I have the impression, that fundamental evangelicals tend to reserve the term "Christian" for themselves.
All the others are no "Christians" for them.
They may say things like: "There were 10 people in the room, 5 Catholics and 5 Christians."

Is that right?
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

And what do the evangelicals here say?
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

I have the impression, that fundamental evangelicals tend to reserve the term "Christian" for themselves.
All the others are no "Christians" for them.
They may say things like: "There were 10 people in the room, 5 Catholics and 5 Christians."

Is that right?

What you have is an obsession...:roll:
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

@ Elvira

Could you answer my question? :)
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

@ Elvira

Could you answer my question? :)

Um, no...ask a fundamental evangelical...you know, the ones you obsess over...
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

Um, no...ask a fundamental evangelical...you know, the ones you obsess over...

They think of themselves as uber Christians, better than other Christians.

They are victims, in fact, of very bad heresy.
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

They think of themselves as uber Christians, better than other Christians.
So it seems to be - for all I know. :)
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

I have the impression, that fundamental evangelicals tend to reserve the term "Christian" for themselves.
All the others are no "Christians" for them.
They may say things like: "There were 10 people in the room, 5 Catholics and 5 Christians."

Is that right?

Yahweh/Jesus just had a problem writing coherently, hence the thousands of sects of Christianity, all believing something different.

The more fundamentalist/indoctrinated, the more belief that others aren't worthy.
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I have the impression, that fundamental evangelicals tend to reserve the term "Christian" for themselves.
All the others are no "Christians" for them.
They may say things like: "There were 10 people in the room, 5 Catholics and 5 Christians."

Is that right?

Pretty much, no different than the radical jihadi islamists.
To them, everyone else is "not a true Muslim" and they use that as an excuse to blow up fellow Muslims, or anyone else they don't like.
In the USA, it's also sometimes referred to as the "No True Scotsman Theory".

We're not yet at the point where "Funny-mentalist Even Jelly Cools" (fundamentalist evangelicals) are blowing up other people but Washington State Representative Matt Shea is under investigation for his "Biblical Basis for War" and he has hundreds of thousands, maybe even MILLIONS, of friends and supporters.
Read it, Rumpel. Read it and learn just how whacko things are getting over here in "Murrikuh".

So it is not a question of IF, it's a question of WHEN.
We aren't there yet but it's coming.
That's one of the other reasons why I am a lefty who owns guns.
It's for burglars and what not but the day I see these yahoos coming down my street in my town, it's going to get mighty unpleasant if they are thinking they can start a war.

America is infected by ultra-right wing theocrats who would just as soon set fire to our Constitution, all while screeching about how important the Constitution IS, of course. Never forget that hypocrisy underwrites everything in the fundamentalist mind and it always has.

And Twumpy is their hand picked messiah. A "porn-again" Christian.
 
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Pretty much, no different than the radical jihadi islamists.
To them, everyone else is "not a true Muslim" and they use that as an excuse to blow up fellow Muslims, or anyone else they don't like.
In the USA, it's also sometimes referred to as the "No True Scotsman Theory".

Yes, I know that theory.
It is a kind of flawed logic...
And by that bad logic one can proclaim anyone an outsider, if one wishes.
 
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Yahweh/Jesus just had a problem writing coherently, hence the thousands of sects of Christianity, all believing something different.

The more fundamentalist/indoctrinated, the more belief that others aren't worthy.
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What a bunch of "pleasant people." :shock:
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

What you have is an obsession...:roll:


I am neither ob-sessed nor po-ssessed - only inter-ested.
But you seem to be obsessed by the idea that other people are "obsessed", if they happen not to share your opinions. :)
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

I have the impression, that fundamental evangelicals tend to reserve the term "Christian" for themselves.
All the others are no "Christians" for them.
They may say things like: "There were 10 people in the room, 5 Catholics and 5 Christians."

Is that right?

lots of different Christians do this and lots also dont. Its does present itself in some denominations more than others but its also an individual thing

sadly its one of the true and factual examples of pure hypocrisy in religion
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

I have the impression, that fundamental evangelicals tend to reserve the term "Christian" for themselves.
All the others are no "Christians" for them.
They may say things like: "There were 10 people in the room, 5 Catholics and 5 Christians."

Is that right?

Same with conservatives and patriot. Low-functioning people of every stripe try to lay claim to what they see as the high ground.
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

I am neither ob-sessed nor po-ssessed - only inter-ested.
But you seem to be obsessed by the idea that other people are "obsessed", if they happen not to share your opinions. :)

lol...you just described yourself...
 
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We're not yet at the point where "Funny-mentalist Even Jelly Cools" (fundamentalist evangelicals) are blowing up other people but Washington State Representative Matt Shea is under investigation for his "Biblical Basis for War" and he has hundreds of thousands, maybe even MILLIONS, of friends and supporters.

"Funny-mentalist Even Jelly Cools" - nice wording! :) :peace :2wave:
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

I have the impression, that fundamental evangelicals tend to reserve the term "Christian" for themselves.
All the others are no "Christians" for them.
They may say things like: "There were 10 people in the room, 5 Catholics and 5 Christians."

Is that right?


I haven't heard any Christians that I know say something like that. More like …...
"There were 10 people in the room, 5 Catholics and 5 Baptists."


I think, referring generally to "fundamental evangelicals," is a sweeping statement.
I don't think all fundamental evangelists would not only be judgemental as to judge who is a Christian, but that to condemn someone openly too -
wouldn't that be contradictory to being a fundamentalist? After all, the definition of fundamentalist is to believe in the strict and literal interpretation of the Bible!


Matthew 7

Do Not Judge

7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.




Therefore...…. how can a Christian who doesn't adhere to that teaching, be called a fundamentalist?





Of course, it is different when we are in a discussion or forum. We are in a debate. Thus, sometimes you see arguments that explain why such and such followers of certain denomination(s) are not considered Christians.....and, usually this verse by Christ is cited:



Matthew 12

Jesus’ Mother and Brothers

46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”
49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”




Christians who are spreading the gospels tend not to cite any specific denomination...... but instead stress upon the importance of obedience to God.
But we can expect to hear them mention the importance of not adhering to practices that goes against the teachings of Christ.



As to referring to "Catholics," don't Catholics refer to themselves as Catholics? When we talk about Christians" in general - do we say, "......except Catholics and Orthodox, etc..,?"
Of course, we mean all those who believe and follow Christ.

We refer to Catholics as Catholics, because that's what they refer to themselves. Same as referring to a born-again as born-again (and not Protestant)!
Do we refer to a Baptist or Methodist as Protestant? Don't we refer to them as Baptist or Methodist when we want to be specific?
 
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More like …...
"There were 10 people in the room, 5 Catholics and 5 Baptists."

That would be OK.

But often enough I have read how "born-again" evangelical Christians claim the term "Christians" to themselves only and deny it to all other Christians.

And they seem to get great joy from the idea, that they alone will go to heaven and all the others will go to hell.

There is a word for that: "Schadenfreude".
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

That would be OK.

But often enough I have read how "born-again" evangelical Christians claim the term "Christians" to themselves only and deny it to all other Christians.

And they seem to get great joy from the idea, that they alone will go to heaven and all the others will go to hell.

There is a word for that: "Schadenfreude".


You're given dis-information.
That would be like saying, atheists claiming Christians are fools who believe in a pie in the sky - and we know that only certain types of atheists make such ignorant claims!

"Schadenfreude," is a human frailty. Like any sin, it's not exclusive to Christians, or to theists in general.

Atheists can suffer from shadenfreude, too - taking great joy from the idea that a God-fearing Christian who's facing difficulties is proof that prayers are not answered since
there is no God to answer them.


We've seen some threads here on this forum that reflect that kind of smug, mocking attitude from some non-believers. :shrug:


Some born-again Christians may exude confidence in their faith in God, but that isn't the same as deriving any joy in the suffering of others,
be it in this world, or in the hereafter. Born-again tend to know that it isn't Christian to feel that way.

Perhaps, it is that peaceful calm and confidence that born-again exudes that make it difficult for some skeptics to fathom...….and there are those who are envious of that.
William lane Craig is an example of an atheist who felt that way and he quipped that he "wanted some of that."
 
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You're given dis-information.

I am not so sure if that was really "dis"-information.
 
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What a bunch of "pleasant people." :shock:

This looks like a picture of Westboro Baptist people, and they aren't representative of anything but, in my opinion, evil. Fred Phelps's spawn are running this group of under 40 people now. Westboro Baptist Church - Wikipedia
 
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They think of themselves as uber Christians, better than other Christians.

They are victims, in fact, of very bad heresy.

That argument is also a No True Scotsman fallacy because they want to redefine what Christians are and claim that anyone who isn't as radical, bigoted or extreme somehow aren't Christian.

No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample.
 
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That argument is also a No True Scotsman fallacy because they want to redefine what Christians are and claim that anyone who isn't as radical, bigoted or extreme somehow aren't Christian.

Certainly they follow Calvin faithfully.
 
Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

And what do the evangelicals here say?
I typically call groups who identify as Christian but who don't conduct themselves like Christians (i.e. in accordance with scripture) "nominal Christians", as opposed to "practicing Christians" or "dedicated Christians"--referring to people who read the Bible, regularly attend church services, and earnestly strive to live by Biblical laws and precepts--even if their understanding is flawed.

I normally emphasize the distinction between Christian and unchristian behaviours, doctrines, and beliefs rather than Christian and unchristian people. To rightly judge a person you need to know what's in their heart and mind. Since "Christian" basically means "disciple of Jesus Christ", I'll let him decide who is and isn't a true disciple.
 
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I have the impression, that fundamental evangelicals tend to reserve the term "Christian" for themselves.
All the others are no "Christians" for them.
They may say things like: "There were 10 people in the room, 5 Catholics and 5 Christians."

Is that right?
yes, that always annoyed me when I would hear this kind of thing.. One time I talked to a woman who said she used to be Catholic but now she is Christian!

bang head

The Catholic Church not only has problems, it has BIG problems... but it is definitely Christian and always has been and always will be.

How can I say it always will be, you may ask? Can I predict the future? Well if you study history, you find out that the first Christian Church in the world was the Catholic Church... Yes, i know, people will argue that point till Hell freezes over and probably even after that...

but it is true.. Jesus said that the gates of Hell would not prevail against his Church..

(it will just seem like it, He may have wanted to add.... and for all we know, he did add that.. I mean, all that He said is not and cannot be contained inside a finite book)
 
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