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    Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    Sorry my post was too far over your head...note where the comma is...



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    Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    Sorry my post was too far over your head...note where the comma is...



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    Well....your comma isn't where it's supposed to be!

    Quote Originally Posted by Overitall View Post
    The comma makes all the difference in the interpretation of this verse. The manuscripts from which our modern versions are translated from didn’t have punctuation. Some versions have the comma before the word today. Some have it after. I believe it belongs after because paradise was not available on that day. It’s still a future promise. IMHO.

    About that comma,



    First, we note that every major Bible translation inserts the comma before the word today. Thus, the KJV, NKJV, NASB, NIV, ESV, and RSV all agree that Jesus was speaking of the time that the thief would enter paradise. The thief would be in paradise with Jesus on that very same day.

    Also, Jesus prefaced His response with the phrase, “I tell you the truth” (“Verily I say unto thee” in the KJV).
    Many scholars have noticed that Jesus uses this as a prefix phrase when He is about to say something that should be listened to with care. Seventy-six times in the New Testament, Jesus uses the phrase.
    Interestingly, no one but Jesus ever says it. When the Lord says “I tell you the truth,” He is affirming that what He is about to say is worthy of special attention. It was Jesus’ way of saying, “Listen up! What I’m about to say is very important and should be listened to carefully.”

    In every one of the 76 times Christ uses this introductory phrase, He simply says it and then makes a startling statement.

    What did Jesus mean when He said, “Today you will be with me in paradise”? | GotQuestions.org
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    Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I have heard Catholics who think they are the only ones who have it right and will be the only ones in Heaven.
    I have never met such Catholics in my life - and I am certainly not one of those.
    As I child I thought naively that we are the best - like every football fan thinks that his team is the best.
    But even as a child it was clear to me that all good people will go to heaven.
    Maybe the Catholics will get the better manna there in same cases - - but generally all good people will be in heaven.
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    Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    I have never met such Catholics in my life - and I am certainly not one of those.
    As I child I thought naively that we are the best - like every football fan thinks that his team is the best.
    But even as a child it was clear to me that all good people will go to heaven.
    Maybe the Catholics will get the better manna there in same cases - - but generally all good people will be in heaven.
    Except for the ones who'll be living in paradise on earth...
    "For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but through the one who subjected it, on the basis of hope that the creation itself will also be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God. " Romans 8:20,21

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    Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
    I have never met such Catholics in my life - and I am certainly not one of those.
    As I child I thought naively that we are the best - like every football fan thinks that his team is the best.
    But even as a child it was clear to me that all good people will go to heaven.
    Maybe the Catholics will get the better manna there in same cases - - but generally all good people will be in heaven.
    Yep. My mom would even say that people could believe in other or different gods and still make it to heaven. God in her view understood naivete of man. That's one purpose of purgatory to her.

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    Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

    If paradise was available on that very day then one would have to ask what the second coming is all about. If those that died are in paradise/heaven then you have a contradiction with 1 Thessalonians 4.
    Just because I liked your post doesnít mean I agree with you.

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    Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    "He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption." Acts 2:31 KJV

    "After he had suffered, he showed himself alive to them by many convincing proofs. He was seen by them throughout 40 days, and he was speaking about the Kingdom of God." Acts 1:3
    Lol. If you don't want my other inbterpretation - that Jesus = God - then, here is an explanation what your own quote would mean.


    The spirit of Jesus did not go to hell.

    The spirit of Jesus went to paradise with the thief on that same day they both died!




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    46 Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.

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    Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Overitall View Post
    If paradise was available on that very day then one would have to ask what the second coming is all about. If those that died are in paradise/heaven then you have a contradiction with 1 Thessalonians 4.
    No contradiction at all!


    Obviously, the paradise was available to Jesus!
    We're not talking about everyone who died, either! We're talking of one: the thief!
    If Jesus wanted to take the thief with Him on that same day - what's stopping Jesus?

    Would God have said "no, you can't?"


    Furthermore....why would it matter whether paradise was available or not? We're talking about Jesus - not an ordinary man!


    Nothing is impossible with God!
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    Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    No contradiction at all!


    Obviously, the paradise was available to Jesus!
    If Jesus wanted to take the thief with Him - what's stopping Jesus?

    Would God have said "no, you can't?"


    Furthermore....why would it matter whether paradise was available or not? We're talking about Jesus - not an ordinary man!


    Nothing is impossible with God!
    Have you not read where Jesus said he goes to prepare a place in his kingdom for his followers? That’s a statement referring to a future, not present place.
    Just because I liked your post doesnít mean I agree with you.

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    Re: May only fundamental evangelicals be termed "Christian"?

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    No contradiction at all!


    Obviously, the paradise was available to Jesus!
    We're not talking about everyone who died, either! We're talking of one: the thief!
    If Jesus wanted to take the thief with Him on that same day - what's stopping Jesus?

    Would God have said "no, you can't?"


    Furthermore....why would it matter whether paradise was available or not? We're talking about Jesus - not an ordinary man!


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    I don't think those two know what "Paradise" is...
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