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On Christianity and the Bible

If something isn't contradictory, why would there be a need for an explanation of it, from an outside source written thousands of years later, in order to simplify it?

Um, have you ever considered people long ago had a different style of writing/talking, as well as speaking a different language? It's all in the interpretation of one language to another and getting the true gist of the meaning...surely you realize such facts...

gist - the substance or essence of a speech or text.

gist - Google Search
 
Um, have you ever considered people long ago had a different style of writing/talking, as well as speaking a different language? It's all in the interpretation of one language to another and getting the true gist of the meaning...surely you realize such facts...



gist - Google Search

Another fact is that interpretations are subject to human error.
 
How does that follow? Can a drug addict be said to be a strong christian?

What is it Bob said..."you don't have to be a weather man to know which way the wind blows"...
 
lol...only if you don't speak...

And the usual resorting to insults for you. Yet I never insult you. And you claim to be able to see through christ's eyes. The evidence of your own posts contradicts this.
 
And the usual resorting to insults for you. Yet I never insult you. And you claim to be able to see through christ's eyes. The evidence of your own posts contradicts this.

Oh please...:roll:
 
He made more money than you did, and you're not a drug addict. LOL.

And, is that supposed to be the best measure of a man? John Gotti Jr also made lots of money.
 
He made more money than you did, and you're not a drug addict. LOL.

And Trump made money by taking it from funds meant to help and heal children with cancer. So what does th....

Oh, you support Trump, a billionaire who is so greedy he literally takes money from children with cancer, don't you? I think that's wrong, so maybe we just have different morals.
 
Then there are those who complain "there are 2 different creation accounts"...of course, that is also not true...

Genesis chapter 1 through chapter 2, verse 3, after telling about the creation of the material heavens and earth (Ge 1:1, 2), provides an outline of further creative activities on the earth. Chapter 2 of Genesis, from verse 5 onward, is a parallel account that takes up at a point in the third “day,” after dry land appeared but before land plants were created. It supplies details not furnished in the broad outline found in Genesis chapter 1. The inspired Record tells of six creative periods called “days,” and of a seventh period or “seventh day” in which time God desisted from earthly creative works and proceeded to rest. (Ge 2:1-3) While the Genesis account of creative activity relating to the earth does not set forth detailed botanical and zoological distinctions such as those current today, the terms employed therein adequately cover the major divisions of life and show that these were created and made so that they reproduce only according to their respective “kinds.”​—Ge 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25.

EARTHLY CREATIVE WORKS OF JEHOVAH

Day No.

Creative Works

Texts

1

Light; division between day and night

Ge 1:3-5

2

Expanse, a division between waters beneath the expanse and waters above it

Ge 1:6-8

3

Dry land; vegetation

Ge 1:9-13

4

Heavenly luminaries become discernible from earth

Ge 1:14-19

5

Aquatic souls and flying creatures

Ge 1:20-23

6

Land animals; man

Ge 1:24-31

Creation — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
The Book Of Samuel






Samuel 1 & 2 are a continuation of the theme of God working through very flawed representatives. The key figure in the book of Samuel is David, one of the more recognizable people of the old testament.

Samuel, and specifically the story of David is essential to the Bible because, while David and his offspring are no less flawed than his predecessors, it is David's humility that begins the real closing story arc of the New Testament, and reveals with more clarity the nature of God.

Setting aside most of the story of David's rise, and fall (though I will cover that too), there is a key exchange between God and David that establishes the core of the Jewish and later Christian faith. David, as an honor to God after taking Jerusalem, pledges to God that he will build a lavish and permanent temple to God to house the Arc of the Covenant. Up to that point, the Jewish people had traveled with the arc and built a mobile tent, called a tabernacle, in which the arc was placed. This central focus of the Jewish faith, and the conduit through which the leaders of the Israelites communed with God, was the arc. It is at this moment that God changes everything.

God declines the offer of a permanent tabernacle in Jerusalem and instead decentralizes the faith. He responds by saying that rather than build God a temple, God would, through David, build a kingdom, beginning with David. At this point the Messianic arc of the Bible is put in clear view. It is hear that God reveals the coming of the Messiah to David on which God's kingdom on earth will be created.

This is important for two reasons, in my mind, apart from just the establishment of core religious dogma. It also signals, at a time when David could do no wrong, that David wasn't the guy for the job any more than his predecessors. It also establishes in David, a path up from the horror of the book of Judges. David is the first in the line since Moses who seems to actually repent for his sins, and accepts his own fault in his disasters.


David's fall, many of the falls from grace, is both rather the same, and different in key ways. It is the same because David's sins are multiplied in his children, David's betrayal of Uriah and sending him off to die so that he could take Uriah's wife as his own leads to his son Amnon raping his own sister Tamara, and his other son Absalom having Amnon killed... and then Absalom leads a rebellion against his own father... sending David into exile.

David's time as King begins with his lament of the death of Saul, who tried to kill David when he found that David was a challenge to is throne, and ends with David lamenting the wreckage of his own family and the death of his son who also tried to have David killed as a challenge to his throne.

the end result is that all of these people thrived when they followed God's word and advice, and like every other person since Adam and Eve, the destruction in their lives was the result of their own choice to deviate from God's word and advice.

the book ends with a repentant and broken David, his family in shambles, and his remorse for his sins. It is this key difference that keeps David on the throne, rather than buried under rubble like Samson. And this humility and acceptance of our broken nature is built on throughout the Bible.

Haha just kidding.... because...
 
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The Book of Kings 1&2



If the Bible were Hollywood, Kings 1&2 would be called Judges 2: The Kingening

David is really a troubled ruler. The book of Kings begins with David in his last years and his handing off of the throne to Solomon. But rather than a religious succession, the transition to Solomon is more like a mafia war, with David and Solomon plotting who needs to die in order to secure power for Solomon. Solomon in turn is about the worst King to befall Israel since all of the others. How many mistakes does Solomon make? Well, all of them...

If you remember God's discussion with David regarding the permanent tabernacle for the Arc and God's message to David, well David didn't.. nor did Solomon. One of Solomon's first moves as King was to go ahead and build that tabernacle that God expressly said not to build. And following that Solomon set about securing power for the Kingdom of Israel that mysteriously all seemed to benefit Solomon directly.. he took on hundreds of wives, tried to appeal to spread his power by worshiping the Gods of other religions, and even filled the tabernacle with these idols, and he focused on building tributes to man, using slave labor... by Kings 2 Israel had essentially become the Egypt they had been delivered from. God was probably regretting promising Noah he wouldn't use a flood again... because God probably was itching to flood Israel.

I mean, you had to know at that this would end poorly, and it did.

One important change that comes about in Kings, however, is that the locus of God's word to his people changes. God no longer speaks to the Kings of Israel, instead he speaks to Prophets. The chief prophets Elijah and Elisha essentially spend most of the books of Kings telling everyone to stop, and turn back to the commandments and the covenant. but nobody listens, the tragedies and atrocities are many, and God is so fed up with the Israelites... who managed to actually split into two separate nations with their feuding over all things not God, that he allowed the Israelites to be delivered back into slavery, conquered by the Babylonians.

Not a flood, but it'd do...
 
The Book of Isaiah





The book of Isaiah is an interesting book for a lot of reasons, but most notably it is interesting to me for a few primary reasons.

1) the Book of Isaiah is the first boom of the Bible that breaks from the timeline of the Old Testament. The book of Kings, for example, tells the story of some things that Isaiah warned about 200 years before they happened, such as the conquering of Jerusalem by the Babylonians from the book of Kings.

2) It explains in more detail the nature of the Jewish Messiah, and what to expect from is coming. In general, it wasn't going to be easy, or pretty. Isaiah warned the Jewish people that they were drifting far from God, and he warned that the day would come when the Messiah would come and the people would be too corrupted to accept him. His prophecy was that God's people would be chopped down like a tree, and burned like a stump, and the righteous sapling would grow from the ashes.

3) This is the first book that follows a person for whom we know very little of their personal life and weaknesses. Isaiah is, in large part, a perfect conduit for the word of God, unlike previous books where those who spoke for and to God were varying levels of wretched. Isaiah is there simply to bare witness to the excesses of the Jewish people, and warn of the coming of judgement.

The combination of condemnation and hope is a powerful arc in the Bible as a whole, and Isaiah is a wonderful little microcosm of the biblical story.
 
@ Bible and Christianity

There is the opinion, that anything that is not directly mentioned in the Bible, is "unbiblical" and "pagan" and "satanic".
So Christmas trees etc etc are pagan and satanic and lead to hell.

Who shares this opinion?
 
@ Bible and Christianity

There is the opinion, that anything that is not directly mentioned in the Bible, is "unbiblical" and "pagan" and "satanic".
So Christmas trees etc etc are pagan and satanic and lead to hell.

Who shares this opinion?

There are plenty of pagan examples in the Bible to help a Christian arrive at that conclusion...
 
It's pointless to study the Bible this way. You need to compare history written more than 2000 years ago. Especially when the Jews don't have a solid central government most of the time.
 
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