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i was somewhat an atheist until -- some things happend etc

Dragonfly said:
Why would somebody who doesn't believe in god turn around and call god a lair?
I mean, the whole thing makes no sense at all.

But it did come from marke, so it makes plenty of sense in that way.

Delusional sense.
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When fools who don't even know God claim God did not create Adam and Eve like He said, they still call God a liar even though they do it in ignorance.
 
marke said:
Atheist Darwinian cult professor: 'Students, God did not create Adam and Eve and I am going to prove that in this class of elementary evolution 101.'
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Adam and Eve never existed. There was never a period in human history in which the population ever consisted of just two people, and definitely not within the last few 10's of thousands of years.
 
marke said:
Hitler took evolutionist dogma of survival of the fittest and humans descending from various animals as justification for purging Germany of the weak and ill-formed animals that evolution has made men out to be.
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Actually, he used good ole fashioned Lutheran Christian anti-Semitism dating back to Martin Luther himself.
 
Quag said:
Even if a scientist believes in God but accepts evolution doesn't mean they are calling God a liar.
marke appears to be confusing his interpretation of the bible as the correct one written by God themselves.
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It is impossible to reconcile the human belief that humans descended from monkey's uncles with the godly understanding that God created life on earth just like He said.
 
Dragonfly said:
He's shown everyone here how "confused" he truly is. It's so blatantly obvious a blind person cold see it.
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When it comes to spiritual truth and understanding there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
 
Quag said:
I wouldn't call it confusion its more like willful ignorance
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Evolutionist cultist to fellow Darwinian cult member: 'What is wrong with that guy?'

Fellow cult member: 'He is a stubborn creationist who refuses to believe life and matter were not created by God. What a moron. Everybody with a brain knows life originated by a natural process, whatever that was, and that matter and energy were not created at all but have always been eternally existent.'
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Peter King said:
1. not my view but the view of the theologian

2. I doubt he would say something good about owning slaves
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God allowed desperately poor people to sell themselves into slavery in exchange for relief, but God also demanded that slave owners treat their slaves appropriately as all humans are slaves to God and should treat each other like they would treat God.
 
JustHanging said:
So you got absolutely nothing. I have thousands of things man attributed to God but turned out to have a natural answer. You don't have ONE single thing where the natural explanation turned out to be wrong, and God was the proper explanation. Not ONE.
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Ironically, though God does not prove Himself to pipsqueaks who disrespect Him, there are evidences of God everywhere. The fact that living creatures live is a testimony of the fact that God created life on earth, a fact non-believers cannot refute scientifically.
 
marke said:
Thoughts are a mysterious thing. Those who reject the idea that humans have spirits or souls already prove their thoughts are imbalanced, possibly do to natural causes.
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You don't have to reject that possibility in order to be an atheist. You just have to come to the conclusion that there's very likely no omnipotent, omnipresent being pulling the strings.

But, those who do reject the idea that humans have spirits do not necessarily have unbalanced thoughts, just as those who accept the idea are not necessarily unbalanced in their thinking either. There is no one right way.
 
marke said:
Ironically, though God does not prove Himself to pipsqueaks who disrespect Him, there are evidences of God everywhere. The fact that living creatures live is a testimony of the fact that God created life on earth, a fact non-believers cannot refute scientifically.
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The fact that living creatures live is only evidence that they got here in one way or another - it's not evidence of a God - especially evidence of a Christian God. That, too, cannot be scientifically refuted.
 
marke said:
Hitler took evolutionist dogma of survival of the fittest and humans descending from various animals as justification for purging Germany of the weak and ill-formed animals that evolution has made men out to be.
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Hitler cited the very words of Jesus as justification. The Church has tried to downplay that -- and tried to divorce Hitler from Christianity -- but history tells a different story.
 
marke said:
Evolutionist cultist to fellow Darwinian cult member: 'What is wrong with that guy?'

Fellow cult member: 'He is a stubborn creationist who refuses to believe life and matter were not created by God. What a moron. Everybody with a brain knows life originated by a natural process, whatever that was, and that matter and energy were not created at all but have always been eternally existent.'
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Considering the Laws of Physics themselves say that matter/energy cannot be created nor destroyed...
 
Piglet said:
I understand more than you think.

Especially about biblical history. I don't know everything about JWs, but I know that if one of them decides to leave the faith, his/her family members are supposed to shun the person.

That's concerning, and certainly nothing that "God's people" would ever do.
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You sound educated. What have you read of the many archaeological discoveries which have completely supported the Biblical historical record dating back 4,000 years or more?

Biblical Archaeology: Factual Evidence to Support the Historicity of the Bible - Christian Research Institute
 
Questerr said:
Adam and Eve never existed. There was never a period in human history in which the population ever consisted of just two people, and definitely not within the last few 10's of thousands of years.
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You cannot prove that because opinions, assumptions, conjectures, speculations and biased interpretations of data do not qualify as proof.
 
Questerr said:
Actually, he used good ole fashioned Lutheran Christian anti-Semitism dating back to Martin Luther himself.
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His religious background did him no good. He seized on noted American evolutionist Madison Grant's racist evolutionist book, "The Passing of the Great Race" as his Bible going forward into the slaughter of all those humans he considered lesser creatures unworthy of life.
 
marke said:
You cannot prove that because opinions, assumptions, conjectures, speculations and biased interpretations of data do not qualify as proof.
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Actually its easily provable. There is no genetic bottleneck in human DNA that would result from there only being two humans alive at a given time.
 
marke said:
His religious background did him no good. He seized on noted American evolutionist Madison Grant's racist evolutionist book, "The Passing of the Great Race" as his Bible going forward into the slaughter of all those humans he considered lesser creatures unworthy of life.
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Except that Germany already had a history of Anti-Semitism going back to the medieval period that was heavily influenced by Martin Luther.
 
Piglet said:
You don't have to reject that possibility in order to be an atheist. You just have to come to the conclusion that there's very likely no omnipotent, omnipresent being pulling the strings.

But, those who do reject the idea that humans have spirits do not necessarily have unbalanced thoughts, just as those who accept the idea are not necessarily unbalanced in their thinking either. There is no one right way.
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There is no right way? It does not matter to some whether humans have spirits or have brains totally enslaved to their own natural particular chemical reactions and electrical impulses? Is truth a variable?
 
Piglet said:
The fact that living creatures live is only evidence that they got here in one way or another - it's not evidence of a God - especially evidence of a Christian God. That, too, cannot be scientifically refuted.
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Life proves humans cannot scientifically solve all mysteries, and will not solve any mysteries about which they refuse to consider possibilities which are in fact real.
 
Piglet said:
Hitler cited the very words of Jesus as justification. The Church has tried to downplay that -- and tried to divorce Hitler from Christianity -- but history tells a different story.
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To hell with the Christian Bible in Nazi Germany, Hitler chose as his bible the racist evolutionist book by noted American evolutionist Madison Grant, "The Passing of the Great Race."
 
Questerr said:
Considering the Laws of Physics themselves say that matter/energy cannot be created nor destroyed...
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So your opinion is that matter and energy have always existed but God has never existed? Interesting theory.
 
marke said:
So your opinion is that matter and energy have always existed but God has never existed? Interesting theory.
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We have direct, objective, and testable evidence for matter/energy and their qualities. We have zero evidence for God, direct, objective, or testable.

There may be a God out there. Until I am given objective, verifiable evidence of it, there is no reason to believe it exists.
 
Questerr said:
Actually its easily provable. There is no genetic bottleneck in human DNA that would result from there only being two humans alive at a given time.
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Francis Crick proposed the theory that aliens in spaceships were responsible for creating life on earth because his studies in DNA convinced him that abiogenesis was not possible.
 
Questerr said:
Except that Germany already had a history of Anti-Semitism going back to the medieval period that was heavily influenced by Martin Luther.
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Hatred for fellow humans goes all the way back to Cain, the firstborn of Adam.
 
marke said:
Francis Crick proposed the theory that aliens in spaceships were responsible for creating life on earth because his studies in DNA convinced him that abiogenesis was not possible.
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Is this you trying to deflect from my post because you have no answer to the fact that human DNA contains no genetic bottleneck that would support deriving from Adam and Eve?
 
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