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i was somewhat an atheist until -- some things happend etc

marke said:
Atheist professor: 'Kids, the earth is 4.5 billion years old.'
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Please tell us o' wise one, exactly how old is the Earth?
6000 years old perhaps?

Please provide some supporting data too.
 
marke said:
Darwin noted that there were no missing link fossils in the record. If evolution were true there should have been millions of missing link fossils.
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Except Darwin died 1882, we have gotten a lot more knowledgeable.
 
marke said:
Evolutionist professor: 'Kids, I know some of you believe God created life on earth and so do I, but He used evolution to do it, not according to some goat-herder ancient book of myths.'
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Not talking about professors. And that some people have been indoctrinated is the fault of the religions and their nonsense peddlers.
 
marke said:
Atheist professor: 'Kids, the earth is 4.5 billion years old. We know this because researchers of 300 years ago speculated the earth was possibly millions of years old and atheists have since that time written tens of thousands of science papers supporting an old age by biased interpretations of data, by speculations, by assumptions, by guesses, and more, all of which have become so weighty by volume that hardly anyone ever questions them any more.'
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Huh. So, if I'm reading you correctly, you've never set foot in any science classroom, anywhere at any time.
 
marke said:
Atheist professor: 'Kids, the earth is 4.5 billion years old. We know this because researchers of 300 years ago speculated the earth was possibly millions of years old and atheists have since that time written tens of thousands of science papers supporting an old age by biased interpretations of data, by speculations, by assumptions, by guesses, and more, all of which have become so weighty by volume that hardly anyone ever questions them any more.'
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Intelligent person: The earth I 4.5 billion years old based on all the evidence

Non thinking theist zealot: The earth is 6000 years old because some monk guessed at that based on stories told goat herders thousands of years ago.
 
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Peter King said:
Except Darwin died 1882, we have gotten a lot more knowledgeable.
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Exactly. Look at all the missing links that have finally been found since Darwin finally died. Piltdown man. Nebraska man. Lucy. Archaeoraptor. Tiktaalik. Coelocanth. Others?
 
Quag said:
Intelligent person: The earth I 4.5 billion years old based on all the evidence

Non thinking theist zealot: The earth is 6000 years old because some monk guessed at that based on stories told goat herders thousands of years ago.
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Based upon the latest scientific data and understanding of his day Lord Kelvin estimated the age of the earth to be somewhere between 20 million and 400 million years. Who says the latest most commonly accepted scientific understanding is to be preferred over other less accepted understandings based upon different data?
 
marke said:
Based upon the latest scientific data and understanding of his day Lord Kelvin estimated the age of the earth to be somewhere between 20 million and 400 million years. Who says the latest most commonly accepted scientific understanding is to be preferred over other less accepted understandings based upon different data?
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Evidence is the key,
It proves creationism as described in the bible is incorrect
It doesn't prove God is not involved any more than it proves involvement by God
Theist zealots dont do evidence they dont care about truth or facts or answers because they have all the answers they ever want regardless of whether they are the correct ones
 
marke said:
Exactly. Look at all the missing links that have finally been found since Darwin finally died.
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What do you mean "finally" died? AFAIK, he lived a normal life span.

Piltdown man. Nebraska man. Lucy. Archaeoraptor. Tiktaalik. Coelocanth. Others?
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Hmmmm, you've never actually learned even the most basic things about evolution have you? Piltdown and Nebraska were frauds/mistakes. That's the great thing about science, it figures things out.

Think about it, thousands and thousands of things that were once attributed to Gods were discovered to have natural answers based on evidence. Lightning, Thunder, Rain, Disease, Gravity. Tell me ONE, just ONE natural answer that has replaced with a religious answer based on evidence.
 
The Bible and the guesses of theologians are not data.
 
Quag said:
Intelligent person: The earth I 4.5 billion years old based on all the evidence

Non thinking theist zealot: The earth is 6000 years old because some monk guessed at that based on stories told goat herders thousands of years ago.
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My favourite is when creationists say the Grand Canyon was formed from a catastrophic event. Originally creationists claimed it all happened in a few minutes....until a non-creationist did the math, and it turned out this would require the water that carved the canyon to be traveling faster than the speed of sound.

Oh, and guess how the kangaroos, koalas, etc got from the Ark to Australia? They hitched a ride on an exploding volcano. I'm not even kidding, it was in the Conservative's Wikipedia: "Conservapedia".
 
marke said:
Based upon the latest scientific data and understanding of his day Lord Kelvin estimated the age of the earth to be somewhere between 20 million and 400 million years. Who says the latest most commonly accepted scientific understanding is to be preferred over other less accepted understandings based upon different data?
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You're stupidity drips off these pages.
You truly deliver.

Now, when did Lord Kelvin die? 1907? Over 112 years ago?

What do you think he might have said about the chances of humans walking on the moon?

Perhaps his estimation of Earth's age was based on the data he had available during his lifetime. Probably a good bet huh?
After all, none of us can make claims based on data that doesn't exist right? Oops...what?

What if he'd known about some of these fossils: 8 Oldest Fossils in the World | Oldest.org

You think EVIDENCE like fossils might influence his opinion?
 
marke said:
Of course God gave other living creatures brains as well and not just humans. Evolution never gave humans the ability to think. What is thinking to an evolutionist, dumb lucky chemical or electrical combinations?
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Descendence with modification over time. Evolution is the process. Creationists just think we came from an adapted story about an ancient hebrew golem spell and a rib woman.
 
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The arguments against evolution (ie ignoring the evidence and the fact it has been observed) can be shown with this pic.
Evolution is slow gradual change from one to another but they always demand to see the exact point when white becomes black.
 
Dragonfly said:
You're stupidity drips off these pages.
You truly deliver.

Now, when did Lord Kelvin die? 1907? Over 112 years ago?

What do you think he might have said about the chances of humans walking on the moon?

Perhaps his estimation of Earth's age was based on the data he had available during his lifetime. Probably a good bet huh?
After all, none of us can make claims based on data that doesn't exist right? Oops...what?

What if he'd known about some of these fossils: 8 Oldest Fossils in the World | Oldest.org

You think EVIDENCE like fossils might influence his opinion?
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One of the "three acts" Braterman refers to is Kelvin's attack on the idea held by some 19th century geologists that the earth had been around forever. Primarily basing his estimates on heat transfer within the earth itself and from the sun to the earth, Kelvin believed that the earth was between 20 and 100 million years old. His estimates were only as good as the mathematical models he used to make them, and unfortunately these models were not aware of plate tectonics, the nuclear fusion that creates the heat of the sun, or radioactivity. Mario Livio includes Kelvin's determination of the age of the earth as one of the greatest mistakes in the history of science in his recent book Brilliant Blunders.
Lord Kelvin and the Age of the Earth - Scientific American Blog Network
 
zyzygy said:
One of the "three acts" Braterman refers to is Kelvin's attack on the idea held by some 19th century geologists that the earth had been around forever. Primarily basing his estimates on heat transfer within the earth itself and from the sun to the earth, Kelvin believed that the earth was between 20 and 100 million years old. His estimates were only as good as the mathematical models he used to make them, and unfortunately these models were not aware of plate tectonics, the nuclear fusion that creates the heat of the sun, or radioactivity. Mario Livio includes Kelvin's determination of the age of the earth as one of the greatest mistakes in the history of science in his recent book Brilliant Blunders.
Lord Kelvin and the Age of the Earth - Scientific American Blog Network
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:lamo


No wonder marke holds him in such high regard.

:lamo
 
Quag said:
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The arguments against evolution (ie ignoring the evidence and the fact it has been observed) can be shown with this pic.
Evolution is slow gradual change from one to another but they always demand to see the exact point when white becomes black.
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That is an excellent analogy.
 
Lisa said:
Science doesn't have an opinion on any god or theistic religion because there is no evidence that any god exists.

You just flunked chemistry or physics.

Physics4Kids.com: Thermodynamics & Heat: Laws of Thermodynamics
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Someone may have taught you that matter and energy had no beginning but you should not take them at their word because that opinion has never been proven any more than God creating the universe has been proven.
 
Quag said:
Intelligent person: The earth I 4.5 billion years old based on all the evidence

Non thinking theist zealot: The earth is 6000 years old because some monk guessed at that based on stories told goat herders thousands of years ago.
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Somebody told you the earth is billions of years old, based upon assumptions, interpretations, illusions, opinions and biased selection of data, but nobody has proven those questionable calculations to be factual or irrefutable. I have a great deal of confidence you cannot prove the math right yourself so you must rely upon the testimony of others. You should not put too much trust in others. They may be feeding you a bunch of bull.
 
Quag said:
Evidence is the key,
It proves creationism as described in the bible is incorrect
It doesn't prove God is not involved any more than it proves involvement by God
Theist zealots dont do evidence they dont care about truth or facts or answers because they have all the answers they ever want regardless of whether they are the correct ones
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You don't need a Bible to read why Lord Kelvin calculated the age of the earth to be 400 million years or less.
 
marke said:
Somebody told you the earth is billions of years old, based upon assumptions, interpretations, illusions, opinions and biased selection of data, but nobody has proven those questionable calculations to be factual or irrefutable. I have a great deal of confidence you cannot prove the math right yourself so you must rely upon the testimony of others. You should not put too much trust in others. They may be feeding you a bunch of bull.
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No its based on evidence something creationists lack
 
marke said:
You don't need a Bible to read why Lord Kelvin calculated the age of the earth to be 400 million years or less.
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The bible wont tell you squat about Lord Kelvin or why he was wrong because it was written by people long before he lived with very limited knowledge about the universe
 
marke said:
Someone may have taught you that matter and energy had no beginning but you should not take them at their word because that opinion has never been proven any more than God creating the universe has been proven.
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For that statement to be true you must first prove empirically that God exists. The fact that we exist is not in any way proof that your god or any other god had anything to do with creation or even existed. Your argument is both circular and is an example of the Watchmaker's fallacy or fallacy by design.
 
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