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Atheists Don't Exist

There is currently absolutely no empirical proof of god/creator that can be proven to people who are non-believers because all current claims of a supernatural deity rely on claims of faith, revealed religious books, and belief. Trying to use the bible as proof of god is prototypical circular logic. "The bible is true because the bible says or I believe that is is true"

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Then he cannot declare he knows, can he?
 
Know as in proof?

How are you going to prove a negative? I don't need to prove anything, I really also don't need someone to prove or justify his/her religion. But when they go and talk about verifiable facts and claiming the bible is a history book, well then I am going to disagree when I feel it is nonsense.

For the rest I take people at face value. You are a catholic great, I am an atheist, nice to meet you. How about NCIS..... That is the kind of discussion I have no problem holding with any religious person. But when that catholic does not want to talk about his faith or something else but wants to change me into a christian, well then I am going to be offended. I don't mind standing up for my atheism, I however do not have the attitude of changing someone to my side. I don't mind discussing it but when people start "I am going to pray for you so that you will see the glory of christ and become a christian", well then the fun is over. I don't mind that people think that, but I do not appreciate people telling me like I am someone that needs to be saved/changed.

People should be free to be religious of to not have a religion.
 
How are you going to prove a negative? I don't need to prove anything, I really also don't need someone to prove or justify his/her religion. But when they go and talk about verifiable facts and claiming the bible is a history book, well then I am going to disagree when I feel it is nonsense.

For the rest I take people at face value. You are a catholic great, I am an atheist, nice to meet you. How about NCIS..... That is the kind of discussion I have no problem holding with any religious person. But when that catholic does not want to talk about his faith or something else but wants to change me into a christian, well then I am going to be offended. I don't mind standing up for my atheism, I however do not have the attitude of changing someone to my side. I don't mind discussing it but when people start "I am going to pray for you so that you will see the glory of christ and become a christian", well then the fun is over. I don't mind that people think that, but I do not appreciate people telling me like I am someone that needs to be saved/changed.

People should be free to be religious of to not have a religion.

Then don't make the claim "know" because you don't...
 
Then don't make the claim "know" because you don't...

No, I know. There are no gods. And I can go and make that claim because I know. Just like you can go around and say you know god exists. I do not ask you to prove that. But if you claim you have proof then it must be something else than faith because faith is not proof, facts are proof.
 
No, I know. There are no gods. And I can go and make that claim because I know. Just like you can go around and say you know god exists. I do not ask you to prove that. But if you claim you have proof then it must be something else than faith because faith is not proof, facts are proof.

lol...either is your claim...
 
The Internet Skeptical view, adopted in the OP for the purpose of a reductio ad abdurdum of Internet Skepticism, is that personal testimony of theists is worthless as "proof" of anything and is delusional. We adopt the same attitude toward atheists, who always get a free pass from Internet Skeptics, and gold their personal testimony as to their atheism as worthless as "proof" of their atheism. Please see post #720 above.

No kind of skeptic doubts when someone says that they either believe or don't believe in gods. Skeptics only doubt claims of those who claim to have experienced gods or any other kind of experience that relies entirely on personal testimony which cannot be verified. Lacking belief in god is not a claim like that any more than having belief is. Skeptics do know that some people have beliefs and some lack them. Skeptics do not question that at all.
 
Saw it. The second premise is false. You're welcome.

The second premise is not false, nor can you demonstrate it to be false. Human beings are known to hold beliefs about gods and also lack beliefs about gods. Nothing false in that premise.
 
Wrong, atheists do not claim anything, we know gods do not exist. We do not have a lack of belief. There are no gods.
People claim they are atheist because they think it's cool nowadays to claim to be atheist, and because they idolize the likes of celebs like Dopey Dick Dawkins.
But there are no atheists, really. It's just a fad.
 
No kind of skeptic doubts when someone says that they either believe or don't believe in gods. Skeptics only doubt claims of those who claim to have experienced gods or any other kind of experience that relies entirely on personal testimony which cannot be verified. Lacking belief in god is not a claim like that any more than having belief is. Skeptics do know that some people have beliefs and some lack them. Skeptics do not question that at all.
Prove that you lack a belief in God. You see, atheism is bunkum.
 
The second premise is not false, nor can you demonstrate it to be false. Human beings are known to hold beliefs about gods and also lack beliefs about gods. Nothing false in that premise.
Already done that.
 
People claim they are atheist because they think it's cool nowadays to claim to be atheist, and because they idolize the likes of celebs like Dopey Dick Dawkins.
But there are no atheists, really. It's just a fad.

And that is not provable that is just your opinion. Fads are popular because it gets you something, people in the US would not get anything from becoming atheist other than hatred and dislike.

And there are no angels really, they are just made up.
 
Prove that you lack a belief in God. You see, atheism is bunkum.

This does not address or refute what I posted. No one, not even skeptics, question whether or not people hold beliefs or do not hold them. No one is asked to prove any of this. No one questions if a person believes in something or if they do not. We know that belief and lack of belief exist in human beings.
 
And that is not provable that is just your opinion. Fads are popular because it gets you something, people in the US would not get anything from becoming atheist other than hatred and dislike.

And there are no angels really, they are just made up.
And that there is no God is just your opinion, yes?
Fads are fads because people want to feel themselves part of what they think is a cool in-crowd. New Atheism is such a fad for those short on critical thought.
 
This does not address or refute what I posted. No one, not even skeptics, question whether or not people hold beliefs or do not hold them. No one is asked to prove any of this. No one questions if a person believes in something or if they do not. We know that belief and lack of belief exist in human beings.
Irrelevancies. Prove that you are an atheist? You can't. This is the same kind of demand for an unprovable proof you and other Internet Skeptics demand of theists.
 
And that there is no God is just your opinion, yes?
Fads are fads because people want to feel themselves part of what they think is a cool in-crowd. New Atheism is such a fad for those short on critical thought.

No, you falsely claim it is a fad, that is total BS.

Because you do know that a fad is an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived; a craze.

1. atheism is not an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something

2. it is not short lived

3. it is not a craze

The word Atheism is from the 5th BC, so it clearly is not short lived.

If you think atheism is the "in thing" you should go out more because it clearly is not. And all your focus on what you call new atheism is also bogus as atheism is much older than that.
 
Irrelevancies. Prove that you are an atheist? You can't. This is the same kind of demand for an unprovable proof you and other Internet Skeptics demand of theists.

No, it is not the same. This is an example of a false equivalence. No one is demanding proof from theists that they believe. No one is questioning that those who are theists exist. The only questions are about the validity of the content of that belief, not that they believe. Since atheists lack belief, there is no additional content to question.
 
No, it is not the same. This is an example of a false equivalence. No one is demanding proof from theists that they believe. No one is questioning that those who are theists exist. The only questions are about the validity of the content of that belief, not that they believe. Since atheists lack belief, there is no additional content to question.
Internet Skepticism demanding proof of the unprovable. The same in both cases.
 
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